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How do you know how much waste they have? Regrind? The vast majority of that stuff comes from huge factories overseas anyway. You can't compare that to small disc manufacturers. (Even Innova is small, comparatively)
Exactly. I was responding to your post about department store pieces of plastic and their apparent consistency.
It's not that much more. They already weigh each one. Just bend it while you're at it. You then have two piles to stamp. It's really not that much more work. $1 more for PDGA discs doesn't bother my wallet at all if it came down to it.
As for the existing discs, they should be allowed. Grandfathered discs should be included. Only discs that says "Non PDGA Compliant" should be disallowed.
If MVP ever starts producing discs at Innova's volumes, well see how well that alleged consistency holds up.If MVP can effectively produce consistent discs from run to run at a competitive price, the other manufacturers should be able to do it as well. (MVP is smaller than Innova...and where are they produced?).
If MVP ever starts producing discs at Innova's volumes, well see how well that alleged consistency holds up.
That's a faulty assumption. The big manufacturers to my knowledge generally weigh a few out of each run and just assume every specimen in that batch is that weight, then write or sticker that number on them. If they actually weighed each one, retailers like Marshall Street wouldn't spend all their time reweighing and correcting them.It's not that much more. They already weigh each one.
Exactly? Your argument sure seems to be about the consistency of a company's product being in direct proportion to the size of the manufacturer...
Innova's been in this business almost as many decades as MVP has years. Their product is inconsistent because they don't care to improve their processes, not because they're a small company.
And despite their consistency issues Innova is still far and away the #1 manufacturer. Until MVP approaches Innova's volume, the jury is still out on that. Like Vibram, they are still a niche competitor in this game.Innova has never been consistent. MVP already has those measures built into their manufacturing process. Being an injection molding company prior to venturing into discs, I don't think that's a valid argument in this case.
Because unlike pumping outs gobs of imperfect runs to meet the demand, there's no money in consistency.The manufacturers CAN be consistent. They choose not to be.
What does being #1 have to do with anything? They've been around longer than anyone else and have more exposure in the marketplace. That has absolutely nothing to do with manufacturing consistency.And despite their consistency issues Innova is still far and away the #1 manufacturer. Until MVP approaches Innova's volume, the jury is still out on that. Like Vibram, they are still a niche competitor in this game.
Some of you are just going to have to concede that for every disc golfer up getting up in arms about lax equipment standards and crapping their diaper about it on disc forums, there are probably dozens of others who's opinions range from acknowledging there's a problem, but are figuring that any cure is worse than the disease to flat out not giving a rat's ass because they don't play tournaments.
If the manufacturers could find a way to please your minority, and do it in a manner that didn't affect their bottom line, they'd probably be on it already. The fact that they haven't probably means that doing so would affect their bottom line.
Because unlike pumping outs gobs of imperfect runs to meet the demand, there's no money in consistency.
totally false assumption. see Scrapfish's comment. They make a blend that is "suppossed" to weigh in *blank* range. They maybe will test a handful in the batch to see if they are correct.It's not that much more. They already weigh each one. Just bend it while you're at it. You then have two piles to stamp. It's really not that much more work. $1 more for PDGA discs doesn't bother my wallet at all if it came down to it.
impossible to control and regulate. how are you supposed to tell the difference? Base it off of stamp? then you want every TD to carry a booklet to identify runs by stamp. can't tell by feel of plastic. How would you handle that? All I would have to do is remove the stamp and throw a dye on there.As for the existing discs, they should be allowed. Grandfathered discs should be included. Only discs that says "Non PDGA Compliant" should be disallowed.
The manufacturers CAN be consistent. They choose not to be.
I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying you can't compare the stuff you see at the store to disc golf discs.
You are right about Innova though. That was my point earlier. The manufacturers CAN be consistent. They choose not to be.
Sure, the manufacturers could invest a bunch of money in making their processes more consistent, then pass that along to the consumer, but that's going to drastically reduce their sales. Why would a noob choose a $12 base plastic disc that's "consistent" over the $7 base plastic disc? I don't see any of the big manufacturers making the effort to become more like the small niche manufacturers, especially when their current business practices seem to be working fine.
impossible to control and regulate. how are you supposed to tell the difference? Base it off of stamp? then you want every TD to carry a booklet to identify runs by stamp. can't tell by feel of plastic. How would you handle that? All I would have to do is remove the stamp and throw a dye on there.
You're making this harder than it should be. If the disc says Non PDGA compliant, then it should be illegal to use. If it says PDGA Compliant or PDGA Approved(Pre-weight war) It would be legal.
I had to take some industrial engineering courses when I was in college (boring s***!). It is not that costly to adjust your production to add one extra step of checking a discs actual weight. And would only take 1 new employee to do so. You figure 10sec to weigh and write on a disc, so that means in an 8 hr day 1 person could handle 2880 discs, I highly doubt even Innova puts out that many a day. And considering what they charge wholesale now, for that minor cost increase I would see no need to raise the MSRP on discs.
Again, I think the assumed cost of consistency is being overblown here.
Edit: Smyith beat me to it.
Acetone nullifies your oversimplification.