My Neutron 165g and my plasma 174g needed some major break in time. After a while the N 165 developed some high speed turn and more distance and the plasma is getting there as it hasn't seen as much playing time. I use them primarily as my FH discs because they are nice and flat and I prefer that for FH. Now I'm using the N for BH when I want more of a skip finish than my Volts can give me. It's definitely not a glidey disc but that's what I like about it