[Latitude] Saint Pro
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HybridZombiw
Eagle Member
With this disc being compared so much to a teebird, how does it compare to the stag? Not much information is available on this notion. I would assume the stag to be like an eagle. So comparing the pro saint to an eagle, what are peoples' opinions?
PerpetualNewbie
Birdie Member
Emac and the guys at the Emporia DD shop told me that the Stag was less HSS than the Saint Pro when I was in there looking at them a couple months ago...
HybridZombiw
Eagle Member
That being said, is the saint pro longer, and more stable?
PerpetualNewbie
Birdie Member
According to Emac and the other guys in the DD shop the Saint Pro is more HSS than the Stag, therefore I didn't buy a Stag and can't comment on the relative distances of the two discs.
My Saint Pros in Opto are two of the most-used discs in my bag and I keep two spares in my just-in-case backup bag, love 'em!
SpikeHyzer
* Ace Member *
Stag = Eagle-L in my opinion. They fly very straight with a little bit of fade on the end.
The Saint Pro is very very very close to a Teebird. Same glide and stability as the last Star Teebird I bought, but with an extra notch up in the speed category. I really like the Saint Pro. I can't imagine any DD/Lat64/Westside player not having a couple of these in their bag.
The Saint Pro is very very very close to a Teebird. Same glide and stability as the last Star Teebird I bought, but with an extra notch up in the speed category. I really like the Saint Pro. I can't imagine any DD/Lat64/Westside player not having a couple of these in their bag.
Hoss22
Eagle Member
Stag is much less HSS. I throw both a max weight vip stag and max weight opto saint pro out to 375' on the course. Both have very similar glide and speed. But other than that, I didnt find them similar at all. The fastest way to sum up my comparison of them is by my predicted flight numbers. Saint pro: 8/6/0/3 and Stag: 8/6/-2/2. This is my opinion on fresh out of the box...and not sanding down half of the rim like some feel they need to do.
My experience is mostly in line with Hoss'. In a nutshell, the Stag is a glidier Eagle X (sizable turn with a come back fade at the end) and the Opto Saint Pro is a faster Teebird. The Saint Pro is beefier than the Stag by a good margin.
When I threw ~300', the Stag was -1/3 HSS/LSS: a hair of turn and a reliable fade. Now that I can push 350' with them, the Stag is more -2/2: from an 8 o clock hyzer release it'll sit up, turn out to 250'-275', then fade back to finish roughly straight ahead. I can flip them to flat from a deeper hyzer, but they have a lot of turn to them, regardless of weight and plastic. They're junk in the wind.
The Opto Saint Pros I've thrown (ranging 173 to 176) all fly straight on a flat, full power throw out to ~350'. I like to throw them on a slight hyzer, on which they'll sit up flat and cruise before the nice, reliable fade kicks in. They'll turn in a strong headwind, usually fading back to finish straight. With varying release angles I'm comfortable throwing them in a lot of windy conditions, especially if I can ease up on the power a bit.
The Gold Line Saint Pros I've thrown lie somewhere in between the two. They've definitely some turn and a later fade, though not nearly as much as the Stags. They're are a bit more dodgy in the wind. I'd put them at -1/3 HSS/LSS at my power. At present they'll fight out of an anny a little too early to make them as good at shaping lines at the Stag, but I imagine that'll change once they wear some. Right now all my Saint Pros are pretty fresh.
Personally I find the Saint Pro to be a notch faster than the Stag, and significantly more so than the Teebird. It feels like it's edging up into control driver territory, whereas the Stag is definitely a fairway. While the Stag has developed too much turn for me to provide a reliable fade when I need it, it's a great line shaper, and probably nets me the easiest distance of any fairway I've thrown, due to the combination of sick glide and lots of turn plus the finishing fade.
The two molds pair really well for me. Similar feel in the hand. Both are really good at what they do. The Stag gets a lot of hate because of how off the numbers are, especially the 0 HSS, but if you approach it looking for a stable line shaper it's hard to beat in its speed class. I might try to beat in a Tournament Stag to see if it can kick out my Rivers. It's been a while since I threw a worn Stag but they really start to turn after some wear.
When I threw ~300', the Stag was -1/3 HSS/LSS: a hair of turn and a reliable fade. Now that I can push 350' with them, the Stag is more -2/2: from an 8 o clock hyzer release it'll sit up, turn out to 250'-275', then fade back to finish roughly straight ahead. I can flip them to flat from a deeper hyzer, but they have a lot of turn to them, regardless of weight and plastic. They're junk in the wind.
The Opto Saint Pros I've thrown (ranging 173 to 176) all fly straight on a flat, full power throw out to ~350'. I like to throw them on a slight hyzer, on which they'll sit up flat and cruise before the nice, reliable fade kicks in. They'll turn in a strong headwind, usually fading back to finish straight. With varying release angles I'm comfortable throwing them in a lot of windy conditions, especially if I can ease up on the power a bit.
The Gold Line Saint Pros I've thrown lie somewhere in between the two. They've definitely some turn and a later fade, though not nearly as much as the Stags. They're are a bit more dodgy in the wind. I'd put them at -1/3 HSS/LSS at my power. At present they'll fight out of an anny a little too early to make them as good at shaping lines at the Stag, but I imagine that'll change once they wear some. Right now all my Saint Pros are pretty fresh.
Personally I find the Saint Pro to be a notch faster than the Stag, and significantly more so than the Teebird. It feels like it's edging up into control driver territory, whereas the Stag is definitely a fairway. While the Stag has developed too much turn for me to provide a reliable fade when I need it, it's a great line shaper, and probably nets me the easiest distance of any fairway I've thrown, due to the combination of sick glide and lots of turn plus the finishing fade.
The two molds pair really well for me. Similar feel in the hand. Both are really good at what they do. The Stag gets a lot of hate because of how off the numbers are, especially the 0 HSS, but if you approach it looking for a stable line shaper it's hard to beat in its speed class. I might try to beat in a Tournament Stag to see if it can kick out my Rivers. It's been a while since I threw a worn Stag but they really start to turn after some wear.
joshuajames
Double Eagle Member
A worn TP Stag is right there with a River, IMO. It's nice if you want to carry 3 Stags: Worn TP (most US), Light Weight VIP (straight neutral), and Heavy VIP (for most stability).
superium
Eagle Member
If your only throwing a stag 250-275', I highly doubt your tossing a pro saint further unless your throwing it on a big anny flex shot to compensate for it being more stable. It just doesn't make any sense.
As one of those guys - I'm coming to agreement with you. Over the past week I've really got out and used it a lot - the snow got crispy enough to play some glow without worry of losing discs. I was driving it on a variety of shots I didn't expect to be, and it worked well on all of them. Gave me stability for huge sweeping hyzers (up around 30', out to 355'), no flip to level just good solid hold. Did well on low straighter hyzers out to about 375', a tiny bit of action up to near level, with a strong fade. And when I reached back on it there was a tiny bit more pan over to the right than I'd wanted but an easy 410'. In terms of comparisons to the teebird, I'd put it on par - similar stabilities at the high speed and low speed ends of the spectrum, maybe a bit more skip. To my hands it feels faster right out of the hand, looks like it take off with a bit more pop.
jrawk
* Ace Member *
Holy crap... So i first tried GL Saint Pros and they flew pretty much like SOLF's/Tbirds, a little high speed wiggle and then a slow fade to fight out and finish while fading forward.
But I just got some Opaque white optos and these things go frozen rope straight to 300 then fade hard.. i'm talking like 40 feet wide of that straight line. Wow this disc makes me very happy. So happy i got two that fly exactly the same. Hope they don't change too much.
But I just got some Opaque white optos and these things go frozen rope straight to 300 then fade hard.. i'm talking like 40 feet wide of that straight line. Wow this disc makes me very happy. So happy i got two that fly exactly the same. Hope they don't change too much.
HybridZombiw
Eagle Member
So stag/Saint Pro makes a rockin combo? How well does the SPro fight the wind?
The max weight Optos fight moderate wind well. You'll need some hyzer in stronger winds, and a 20+ mph headwind will still wreak havoc, but in those conditions you should be throwing beef anyway.
mattc
* Ace Member *
I carry the Saint Pro, Saint, Fury combo
It's perfect.
It's got to be blowing pretty hard to make me step up from the Saint Pro.
MindBodyDisc
Bogey Member
Haven't thrown a Stag, but as for how the the Saint Pro handles wind, pretty darn well for me. It's got to really be blowing for me to pull out something more.
Beener
Birdie Member
Yes! I'm using a Saint Pro / Stag / Saint combination; all in the AIR plastic...
The Saint is my primary line-shaping driver. The Stag comes out for *mostly* straight with fade. The Saint Pro flies like a beefier Stag for me; even straighter with more fade.
Wind fighting ability follows this progression, too: Saint Pro > Stag > Saint. But as others have mentioned, only strong winds get the Saint Pro. :thmbup:
HybridZombiw
Eagle Member
How about a Saint Pro with striker?
joshuajames
Double Eagle Member
Anyone given the Saint Pro AIR a shot? I'm interested in an Opto AIR. I love my 168 Opto!
Beener
Birdie Member
Yep, I've been throwing the AIR Saint Pro for a couple of weeks. In my bag, the AIR Saint PRO is a "beefier" AIR Stag; straighter with more fade.
I have Saints and Stags in all plastics: AIR, GL / TP and OPTO / VIP. IMO, the AIR discs fly like a slightly-worn GL / TP disc. My 156g AIR Stag flies very similarly to my 166g TP Stag, with the addition a *touch* more glide due to the (AIR process induced) dome. So I suspect an AIR Saint PRO would fly very much like a GL Saint PRO...
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