The direction of Disc Golf

[wolfhaley]

I'm curious who the 3 people are that voted for "Drastic changes are needed". It'll have to remain a mystery I guess.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

^As I read this, the music of "My Country 'Tis of Thee" became apparent in the background.
\

My country, 'tis of thee
Sweet land of Fri---isbee
Of thee I sling.

Land of Scott Stokely's flight
Land of Ken Climo's heights

From Morley Field to Maple City
Let Teebirds fling!

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

Players want the basket to catch everything. We shouldn't be doing what players want. They want it to be easy and shoot lower scores. For sure! They don't want to have to focus on a 10 or 12 footer. That's mentally challenging and more difficult. But it also would be what is best for the long term in my opinion.

Ten-footers being the testers in our sport? That sounds awful. Who would want that? How goofy would a card of players look constantly hunched over ten-footers and only making half of them with good effort? The whole putting process would look silly. There would be so few birdies as well.

The game is really perfect the way it is with 20-25' testers for everybody else in the world who isn't on Jomez. I also love having a chance to save par when I successfully scramble my ass off for a 40' look. In your scenario hardly any of these would result in saves. And so many decent drives leave you with 30' of work. How many of those will the average Disc Golfer miss when the target at 10' yields 50/50 results? Like, almost all of them?

We have ten times the participation we had in 1998 because we're doing it right. The game is doing more than fine. This whole conversation is absurd.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

(I meant "Maple Hill" up there, by the way. Too late to edit!)

 

[Emoney]

Why cant it be both?

I think the pro division could use a tweak to the basket.
Just like they already tweak the course for literally every single tournament played for the pro tour.

You could already call the course changes for the pro tour "drastic changes"

 

[oldmandiscer]

Ten-footers being the testers in our sport? That sounds awful. Who would want that? How goofy would a card of players look constantly hunched over ten-footers and only making half of them with good effort? The whole putting process would look silly. There would be so few birdies as well.

The game is really perfect the way it is with 20-25' testers for everybody else in the world who isn't on Jomez. I also love having a chance to save par when I successfully scramble my ass off for a 40' look. In your scenario hardly any of these would result in saves. And so many decent drives leave you with 30' of work. How many of those will the average Disc Golfer miss when the target at 10' yields 50/50 results? Like, almost all of them?

We have ten times the participation we had in 1998 because we're doing it right. The game is doing more than fine. This whole conversation is absurd.

Did I say 10 foot testers? No you need to focus rather then just tapping it in with a bag on. lol

 

[oldmandiscer]

I don't watch much soccer but I don't think making the goal bigger is a good idea. The success rate in penalties or in one on one situation is very high so I think the low scoring game is more a problem that controlling the ball is better than all out attack. Maybe less players on the field (I doubt player associations with like it) or some kind of attack clock like in basketball so the team with the ball has to attack or give away the ball.

Just a minor change. Like any shot that hit's the crossbar or end poles would be in. So maybe a foot wider on each side and 6 inches taller. Something like that. That way you really are not changing the amount of players or other major in game play. Penalties could be moved back 3 feet to compensate.

So even the most popular sport in the world could use changes in my opinion. Which contradicts that "growth" equals perfection. Growth is happening because of economic reasons and the sport is young. I'm sure golf was growing rapidly in the 1700's too. Disc golf is in the early growing stage. It doesn't mean it's perfect and not above critiques and improvements.

 

[DavidSauls]

In my foggy memory, I seem to recall that smaller (bullseye) baskets were tried at a tournament a few years back---they used standard baskets one day, bullseyes on the same holes the next. I believe the scores were only slightly changed. I'm certain there was no clamor from anyone involved, to do it again

 

[davetherocketguy]

We have ten times the participation we had in 1998 because we're doing it right. The game is doing more than fine. This whole conversation is absurd.

This one sentence says it all for me.

 

[oldmandiscer]

And........now there are three smaller basket thread for the same troll. SMH

58 seconds in.



I'm Paul McBeth.

 

[davetherocketguy]

Did I say 10 foot testers? No you need to focus rather then just tapping it in with a bag on. lol

Um. That's kinda exactly what you said.

They don't want to have to focus on a 10 or 12 footer. That's mentally challenging and more difficult.

[sarcasm]Wow. That sounds soooooo entertaining. Watching folks layup to within 10' because the basket can catch so poorly you have to be that close to make it. Can't wait to watch pros do that.[/sarcasm] :thmbdown:

 

[oldmandiscer]

In my foggy memory, I seem to recall that smaller (bullseye) baskets were tried at a tournament a few years back---they used standard baskets one day, bullseyes on the same holes the next. I believe the scores were only slightly changed. I'm certain there was no clamor from anyone involved, to do it again

Eagle won and it was one of the best disc golf tourneys out there. He eagled a 550 foot or so par 4 by putting it to about 20 feet or so on a bullseye, I think it might have been slightly uphill too. He made the putt. Afterwards he said how nervous he was trying to make the putt. It was awesome. You should check it out.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Um. That's kinda exactly what you said.



[sarcasm]Wow. That sounds soooooo entertaining. Watching folks layup to within 10' because the basket can catch so poorly you have to be that close to make it. Can't wait to watch pros do that.[/sarcasm] :thmbdown:

What are you smoking?

 

[davetherocketguy]

What are you smoking?

You're asking ME that question?

I'm Paul McBeth.

lol

 

[DavidSauls]

You'd think "one of the best tournaments out there" would spawn imitators.

 

[oldmandiscer]

That sounds a lot like saying if you put less ice cream into a sundae you wouldn't need any hot fudge or caramel to be able to finish it.

No thanks to both parts of that idea.

So you like wide open birdie or die rec courses and walls of trees in the woods "fair" ways? We saw this last week in Maine. Several holes had 1 or 2 birdies from the field. Watching it I had really no idea where they were suppose to throw it. And it showed as they all were hitting trees on these holes and not ever getting close to C1. Watching it I was slightly annoyed as I didn't understand what to do or what they were trying to do.

This is the trend to make courses hard, just make them luckfests.

 

[DavidSauls]

Yeah, I've always thought it unfair that players who are more skilled than I, are also luckier. They keep beating me on gimmicky courses, even though the Fates should grant me the luck to beat them half the time.

 

[DavidSauls]

We shouldn't be doing what players want.

You oughtta put this in your signature.

In the long run, it would save you a lot of typing.

 

[Keller]

It kind of seems like SD86 is back

 

[oldmandiscer]

Yeah, I've always thought it unfair that players who are more skilled than I, are also luckier. They keep beating me on gimmicky courses, even though the Fates should grant me the luck to beat them half the time.

I know you are insinuating that this is somehow about me and my "bad" luck. This is about the overall game, even more so I am purely referencing courses on the DGPT and how the best players in the world are playing luckfest courses or more specifically certain holes.

You get 1 birdie out of 70-100 open field players? You think that maybe these holes are poorly designed and 80-90% luck in the end? You can throw what you might consider a perfect shot but then you have to play the casino of trees. The primary cause of this is the high putting percentages from within C1.

There are not many great disc golf courses that are fair and challenging. Houck courses are along with a few others. Iron Hill I think is good. Maybe borderline luckfest here or there. But this is the unfortunate trend I am seeing week in and out on the DGPT. Due to ease of putting I see it very difficult to make holes and entire courses that are fair yet challenging. Which is why great courses are so rare.