He's not giving you the full story though, so here it is. All summer this particular placement at City Park, hole #8 has been unusable due to the lawn mower taking out the pole hole. It just got replaced last week and the basket was placed here. 4 days ago my son shot his Champ. Monarch here and went through the chains, hit the pole, and fell out on the ground. 2 days ago he cuts and dyes his 1st ever dye on his 170 Champ. Valkyrie. Yesterday my wife had the 4Runner at a pregnancy class for her friend, so my son and I walked to the course. The walk from our house takes an hour. As we get to the park he says he is gonna use the Valk on #8. I say for an Ace right? He says Yep. We get to #8, he says Dyed Valkryie Ace, and then proceeds to shot the straightest forehand right into the basket. Nice! Now you have the full story.