simpletwist
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Here in Western NY several courses are impacted by a county ban on smoking in its parks. No one pays any attention.
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Smoking is much more dangerous than many other things that illegal, or other substances that are "controlled". The only difference is the giant industry that has surrounded smoking since before it's health effects were known.
I personally wish it were illegal nationally, not just in specific places. I've seen too many people with terrible quality of life at age 50-60 due to their smoking, to be persuaded it should be left alone. I can't help picturing every smoker I see with supplemental O2, and a giant barrel chest, asking during rounds if they can go outside and have a smoke. It's quite sobering. There is such great help out there too in the form of medications and classes, that it is ridiculous for this to be such a large problem in this day and age.
agreed! however discussion is good, we all have the right to agree and disagree thats what makes for good debate. furthermore i can also link a ton of useless bias info as well
http://www.freedom-of-choice.com/AS3.htm
http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm
those took like 2.4 seconds to link.
this is a complicated subject that is multifaceted. so guys dont yell at me because u solved the issue at hand, because the US government hasn't solved it yet. so stick a fork in it.
side bet, when will this thread be shut down. im guessing 845 pm pacific standard time.
man jumping in to it after 3 post i like that (really). my mother was raised in communist Romania. you would fit right in there. what happend to personal choice? smoking is bad, but so is drinking and fast food. thats what i brought up earlier when does it end. yes smoking costs tax payers a lot of money but obesity does not? lets ban or tax the crap out of mcdonalds. im amazed few see the relationship between the two.
but the PDGA says they do not want an image of smoking, so disc golfers can not use harmless electric cigarettes.
this kind of thing pisses me off. im guessing maybe 5-10 percent of the population smoke (myself included) so how is it fair that the other 90-95 percent can make laws that affect the few. its utilitarian garbage. i thought immanuel Kant blew utilitarianism out of the water a long time ago. i agree indoors it should be banned. but outside, is crazy. and dont give the the second hand smoke crap. the largest scale study on second hand smoke that all these a-holes tout as proof, in its own scientists and authors words stated the the results are inconclusive and further studies need to be done. im paraphrasing here "you should have rights as extensive as possible without impeding on the rights of someone else". your want to not smell cigarettes does not outweigh my right to smoke. I am a responsible smoker i clean all my buts up and try to not smoke near non-smokers. i know a lot are not considerate and you should get tickets for littering. Sometimes i feel like a second rate citizen for smoking.
this kind of thing pisses me off. im guessing maybe 5-10 percent of the population smoke (myself included) so how is it fair that the other 90-95 percent can make laws that affect the few.