Lol at one region's woods not being as good as another's. That's just silly.
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12StonesScott
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<ObligatoryFormerArkansawyerSpuriousDigAtTexas>There is no such thing as "TX woods". AFAIK, there's only 100 or so trees in the whole state -- they just move 'em around occasionally to give all the Texans a look at 'em.</ObligatoryFormerArkansawyerSpuriousDigAtTexas>
There was less undergrowth on some of the Charlotte courses that my son (15 years old and as erratic off the tee as they come) played than our local course in Georgia, on the whole, but still plenty to go around, and after caddying for him in 6 rounds over 4 days at Idlewild, Kilborne, Elon, and Eastway, I have the "bites" to prove it up and down my calves and arms. No shortage of greenbriar, blackberry, and nettles, to say nothing of all the random small limbs broken off on the ends. Being on the bottom or next to bottom card of a juniors division for 4 days, I had plenty of opportunity to observe players who put themselves into situations there was no way out of other than to pitch out -- not talking just "no line" here, but solid walls of foliage and/or branches.
Enough of this waa waa worlds crap. You want a super long, open fairway course, with hill slopes, constant head winds, all on a ball golf course with carts? Then I suggest you leave your noodle arm behind and come out to the Goat Hill Open 72 this Sunday in Oceanside, CA to test your manhood! Par 72, over 14,000ft, are you scared yet? Plenty of water, drinks, burgers, dogs, and oh, did I say beer on the course yet, and carts? Weather forecast is 62/72 degrees, partly cloudly, only 2 miles from the beach. So bring out your OS Nukes and Destroyers, and plan to be able to throw 400-600ft open shots over and over again in constant headwinds, crosswinds, uphill/downhill. NO NOODLE ARMS PERMITTED.
http://www.discgolfunited.com/disc-golf-tournaments/tournament-dashboard.cfm/tourn_id/441
http://www.discgolfunited.com/disc-golf-tournaments/tournament-dashboard.cfm/tourn_id/441
My arm and whole body is sore thinking about that course, we do a disc golf vs. ball golf out here in WI and the best part is the carts and crushing drives all day on a ball golf course. I need about a week to recover as my arm feels like it could fall off. I could alone imagine the gusts of 50 mph winds helping or hurting disc flight.
ViolaBouquet
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I play Kensington... a little over 10,000 feet. There are some long ones, but they still have tighter fairways, and a good amount of shots in the woods. One is not better than the other (Long open/tight woods) but the best courses have both.
Toboggan...10,000ft? IDK but maybe it is another course in the area
juju
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Looks Fun! But when averaged out the avg hole is 370ft (which I think is great btw) so for 18 holes it would be 6,667ft.
With all that said I would like to play a Kenner Course.
Alcuin
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I agree with this. While I like wooded holes much more, I think the best courses have a good mix of lots of different kind of shots. I play a lot at Token Creek (Vallarta-Ast), which has a lot of longer holes and is 10948 ft on a 27 hole layout. It's my least favorite course in the area though because it doesn't test a variety of shots--if you can throw distance shots, big hyzers, and short turnovers/sidearms, you can easily dominate this course. That just gets to be a bit boring to me. There's just not enough risk/reward there (though its a great place to take the girlfriend or non-discing friends and throw the short tees).
Captain Plastic
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I have a question. This was not my group but another.
This took place at Bradford. Hole 16 used a tee pad from the road. It was
one of the holes not played in the Carolina Clash (Worlds warmup). In the caddy book
it showed THE ORIGINAL TEE PAD NOT THE TEE PAD ON THE ROAD. Players were confused.
I know this was mentioned in the mandatory players meeting but still the caddy book
said play from the original tee not the tee from the road. A group was stroked for playing the
wrong tee pad and we (B pool) know now that other groups did in fact play the wrong tee pad
but were not stroked.
My question is: Once it was noticed in the caddy book that the wrong tee pad was listed
why didn't the worlds staff just stick to the original tee pad that was listed in the book? Was
it necessary to have the long tee pad (a whole 50 feet) and confuse the players? When I look
in an official caddy book and see it listed one way I will more than likely trust the CADDY BOOK.
Also being a TD myself of local tournaments in the Kentucky area when I have a change I am shouting this out while players are checking the scoreport. Something like "tee pad on hole 16 is on
the road - caddy book is wrong" I do these things loudly so people all over can hear. Seems kind
of rudimentary but then again people are in game mode and sometimes need these simple
wake up calls. No official was saying anything about this change.
Please don't take this as a complaint it is just a simple observation. I only want to make our
game better from an officiating standpoint. This is no knock on the club. CHARLOTTE RULES
DISC GOLF.
The question: why not just keep the original tee pad once it was noticed that the caddy book
had this error? What did making a hole 50 feet longer really accomplish?
Chuck?
This took place at Bradford. Hole 16 used a tee pad from the road. It was
one of the holes not played in the Carolina Clash (Worlds warmup). In the caddy book
it showed THE ORIGINAL TEE PAD NOT THE TEE PAD ON THE ROAD. Players were confused.
I know this was mentioned in the mandatory players meeting but still the caddy book
said play from the original tee not the tee from the road. A group was stroked for playing the
wrong tee pad and we (B pool) know now that other groups did in fact play the wrong tee pad
but were not stroked.
My question is: Once it was noticed in the caddy book that the wrong tee pad was listed
why didn't the worlds staff just stick to the original tee pad that was listed in the book? Was
it necessary to have the long tee pad (a whole 50 feet) and confuse the players? When I look
in an official caddy book and see it listed one way I will more than likely trust the CADDY BOOK.
Also being a TD myself of local tournaments in the Kentucky area when I have a change I am shouting this out while players are checking the scoreport. Something like "tee pad on hole 16 is on
the road - caddy book is wrong" I do these things loudly so people all over can hear. Seems kind
of rudimentary but then again people are in game mode and sometimes need these simple
wake up calls. No official was saying anything about this change.
Please don't take this as a complaint it is just a simple observation. I only want to make our
game better from an officiating standpoint. This is no knock on the club. CHARLOTTE RULES
DISC GOLF.
The question: why not just keep the original tee pad once it was noticed that the caddy book
had this error? What did making a hole 50 feet longer really accomplish?
Chuck?
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As an assitant Td there I can say that Schleppy and I did not know that the caddy book was wrong. We would have made it known had we known for sure. Im sure that Ed Gonzalaz(TD) didnt know either cause he didnt know the course. I did not hear about it til afterwards and it does suck as schleppy and I were kicking ourselves for not looking at the book closer. Unfortunatly we trusted whoever made it did it right.
The reason that the one group was stroked is they did it in front of the course marshall. Once we heard we immediatly fixed the problem by getting blue paint on the pad/road and puting sticks over the short pad. Hindsight is 20/20 and we should have been clearer.
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DGRZ001
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Weren't both teepads used for that hole? I played pro GM, and we used the shorter tee pad, the one not on the street. The teepad should have been marked with "W12" in the appropriate color. Since we played it twice on the same day, there was no need to have the long tee covered over. But hopefully, the groups would have noticed the "W12" in the wrong color for the MPO on the short tee.
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Even though it did say you were playing longs which was very well known ment blue painted W-12 tees. even though the paint had faded on the road and was hard to see the short only had red w-12 however as I said before we could have been and would have been clearer had we known there was a problem in the book.
Link to video?
Yes, silly. He's insinuating that the rough has to harm you (physically?) to be considered good design.
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if so the jesus thorn of bradford and chiggers of winget should warrent a 4.5
Actually that couldn't be farther from the truth.....Dave was pretty much spot-on
What I was trying to reference was the difference I noticed in terrain between woodsy courses around here and others in that part of the country. There is plenty of trees just less brush in general on the east coast.
If anything thorns take away from a design just stating the differences as I have seen them.
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