Uli rule call?!

[pablo.diablo]

I didnt foot fault.

No you didn't, but you didn't win the one I'm talking about. It was another kid and an older dude. (For INT/REC)

All you did was trick me into not putting on that Ring Of Fire, lol. That was classic, I was like ohhh yeah I forgot it's distraction rules. That's what I get for running up at the last possible second. That was the only putt I hit, too.

Matt Hall had to stand in the direct tailwind and cheat, hahaaa. I think he won like 3-4 ROF's. It wasn't until he asked me if he could have "his spot" back that I figured out his motive. In my head I was saying, "I DON'T SEE YOUR F****ING NAME ON THE GROUND". hahaaa, I guess that's why he's a pro and I'm a schmoe.

 

[MNcyclone]

I am disappointed in one of DGCR's more prominent posters

Ego inflated

 

[Jax11]

The problem is that these rules are hard to follow, enforce, and understand in a situation where you can't see the basket, and are only guessing its exact direction. I have no problem enforcing rules that make sense.

I still propose that planting your foot anywhere within 12'' of your mini on any side would completely make this BS irrelevant. Obviously this would not apply within the circle, or if planting your foot in front of your mini would put you within the circle. If someone is shooting from 200' out in the fairway, I honestly do not think the extra 12 inches they could take would be an issue. Its a simpler cleaner rule that everyone can instantly understand and know how to enforce.

This theory is valid in an open field where there are few obstacles, but it challenges the integrity of playing the actual lie, when in the woods, a 12" radius around your mini is a large area to be able to find a line through the woods for an out or an up shot that normally wouldn't be there with the current rule set.

It would in essence devalue the ability to get out of tight spots because it would be easier to find a way out, and I believe that is an invaluable skill most pros have that help separate them from the mortals.

I suppose everyone would have the same advantage though.

 

[who-dat]

I usually don't delve into these discussions too deeply, but this one hit a chord so here's my take...

This whole thread is one of many reasons why I've never played in a DG tournament...because quite a few of the rules are completely idiotic, and subject to interpretation and misinterpretation.

I just don't see how a lot of these trivial issues should be rules, since 99.9% of the time it gives a player no real advantage when off by 1cm from the line of play, or lifting a foot up .0234 seconds before releasing the disc (jump putting is impossible to judge with lots of players unless you had slow motion video).

What's strange to me is how there is such an emphasis on the rules, when generally most folks play honestly and occasional obscure rule violations being called can ruin the round for everyone. It's like society when it comes to the legal system. It's pretty clear to everyone when the INTENT of the law is being broken. It doesn't mean you need to have the rules police or some marshall inspecting every lie and every single throw. There are probably dozens of rules violations every round - do we want/need them all called out? Ruins the fun and spirit of the game completely...

Tim S.

This attitude is why there are (probably) thousands of players who do not know the rules.
They just throw plastic at a basket, which is a fun GAME.
The SPORT of disc golf has rules that must be taught to new players and enforced.

 

[Jeasy13]

]It's not that hard guys.

pardon the crudeness, I did what I could with paint.

Edit : I don't know how to link pictures apparently.

Clicky for Picky[/URL

 

[pablo.diablo]

This attitude is why there are (probably) thousands of players who do not know the rules.
They just throw plastic at a basket, which is a fun GAME.
The SPORT of disc golf has rules that must be taught to new players and enforced.

Is this Walter Sobchak? Messin witcha

 

[DiscChainBasket18]

How many marshalls does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Anytime there is money on the line their should definitely be a Marshall following the lead group.

One 'Marshall' for the whole group? That dude would be doing a lot of running around to try & watch every foot placement on every shot. I can see it now. Dude's on one side of the fairway & then has to run over to the other side of the fairway & then up a small hill, etc. "Wait a second. Dont throw! I'm not there to marshall your shot yet".

One 'Marshall' for every player? It seems a little much. I can see job opportunities though!

And who's to say that 'Marshall' sees it correctly? A Marshall for the marshall? This is getting out of hand!

 

[Jeasy13]

or post links.

Clicky

 

[blur]

I understand you can shoot in any direction, but there is the possibility of a direct line to the basket not being a direct line for your shot. Maybe a bit extreme of an example:

RED = marker

so these are proper foot placements for these baskets? Technically shooting at basket C actually puts you in front of your marker.

 

[The Hammer]

I understand you can shoot in any direction, but there is the possibility of a direct line to the basket not being a direct line for your shot. Maybe a bit extreme of an example:

RED = marker

so these are proper foot placements for these baskets? Technically shooting at basket C actually puts you in front of your marker.

So, what? You can still put your foot there and throw around up and around that big box in the drawing. I don't understand how your foot placement could impair a shot.

 

[Jeasy13]

I understand you can shoot in any direction, but there is the possibility of a direct line to the basket not being a direct line for your shot. Maybe a bit extreme of an example:

RED = marker

so these are proper foot placements for these baskets? Technically shooting at basket C actually puts you in front of your marker.

Correct. but it still doesn't affect how you run up to your shot, how you throw your shot, or anything else. you can actually make your back foot the dot for your C. I don't see how this is an issue.

 

[blur]

Correct. but it still doesn't affect how you run up to your shot, how you throw your shot, or anything else. you can actually make your back foot the dot for your C. I don't see how this is an issue.

If you are shooting straight (towards basket a) as a layup to get around the the horn(when basket C is your basket), you are actually in front of your marker as your 'line of play'. Ideally someone should be shooting directly behind their 'line of play' or where their intended shot is going.

Consider the marked area as OB.

 

[blur]

I think I'm done with this. :doh:

I've made my point and I think people see it, comes down to a technicality and PDGA should at least give this ruling a second look if there is this much debate on it.

:hfive: GL all!

 

[_MTL_]

One 'Marshall' for the whole group? That dude would be doing a lot of running around to try & watch every foot placement on every shot. I can see it now. Dude's on one side of the fairway & then has to run over to the other side of the fairway & then up a small hill, etc. "Wait a second. Dont throw! I'm not there to marshall your shot yet".

One 'Marshall' for every player? It seems a little much. I can see job opportunities though!

And who's to say that 'Marshall' sees it correctly? A Marshall for the marshall? This is getting out of hand!

I'm a PDGA Marshal and that is NOTHING close as to our roles.

It's very simple.

We are to allow the group to make a call. If we agree with a call, we should promptly second the call if we are there and see it.

Unless we extremely disagree with a call or simply know it is wrong, we don't overrule the group ruling. And yes, there is a difference. Someone saying "I think this is in" and the group agreeing is a judgement call that I'm not going to overrule. However if someone says "oh, 2 meter rule is in effect, you are gonna have to take a stroke" when it's not is an example of something being simply wrong.

If our opinion is asked, our ruling overrules the group.

But to say we would have to check footing is not correct. In fact, we are not out to get them. In my 2 years of being a Marshal I've never called a foot fault or a falling putt. However, I have seconded them.

 

[who-dat]

Is this Walter Sobchak? Messin witcha

Very nice! (in Borat voice)

 

[Jeasy13]

I think I'm done with this. :doh:

I've made my point and I think people see it, comes down to a technicality and PDGA should at least give this ruling a second look if there is this much debate on it.

:hfive: GL all!

So what's your point? Read the rule, it's pretty cut and dry. nobody is forcing you to take any particulair stance, nobody is forcing you to "face" the line of play. It just states that 1 supporting point must be directly in the line of play, with no others in front of your mark. Click the link I posted a couple posts up.

 

[The Hammer]

So what's your point? Read the rule, it's pretty cut and dry. nobody is forcing you to take any particulair stance, nobody is forcing you to "face" the line of play. It just states that 1 supporting point must be directly in the line of play, with no others in front of your mark. Click the link I posted a couple posts up.

Yeah, I don't get what the problem is either. Who cares if you are in front of your mini if that is the direction you choose to throw?

 

[Jeasy13]

Yeah, I don't get what the problem is either. Who cares if you are in front of your mini if that is the direction you choose to throw?

Agreed, to a point. You're still BEHIND your mini though, directly in the line of play. The chosen shot line and line of play are 2 completely different things.

 

[araytx]

This technicality prevents a lot of 'layup' shots. Especially to a basket that has a hard turn in either direction.

So as a RHBH thrower I am laying up with a straight shot to a dogleg right hole because for any reason I am not able to make the anhyzer shot to the pin. This is illegal? :wall:

THIS is the reason I have never been interested in competitive play. Way to go PDGA for promoting the sport.

Where do you and others get this from? All the rule means (for a standard RHBH thrower) is that he lines up and his pivot point (contact w/surface at point of release) is where the gray star is, instead of the black star in my diagram below. And YES, by Job, he can still throw a smooth anhyzer. The gray star is 4 inches at most from where the other one is.

 

[Jeasy13]

This discussion reminds me of a time a buddy posted a picture of an ace on Facebook. The disc never hit chains, and came in on a severe hyzer. His disc wedged INSIDE the basket, and everyone started hating and saying wedges don't count, and got all hung up on the rule revision instead of actually reading how the rule was now worded. Keep in mind that rule NEVER uses the word wedge, but explains how a wedge from the outside would not count, but one on the inside would.