I just found this thread today for the first time and read the previous 25 pages or so.
I live about two hours from HH, and started playing there maybe 15 years ago. I used to go up there a few times a year and it was great. JJ was almost always on site and it was very peaceful.
Perhaps 8-10 years ago, things definitely started changing and feeling different. JJ always had big plans (i.e. the year long living cabins on site people could buy), and I'm not sure I really cared for them or really was all that interested in hearing about them (or being asked if I wanted to be a partner in the endeavor). This all seemed fine and well I suppose since it seems like a gigantic piece of land and all the power to the man trying to make some money since I always wondered how disc golf can pay all the bills.
Anyway, perhaps 4 or 5 years ago things continued to shift again. At this point, bands were playing on site and lots more traffic was on site. The biggest problem I had was all the garbage everywhere and the filth of the campers on site and the total disregard of people staying on site cleaning up after themselves. The vibe at this point was so much different than when it was just JJ himself with his lawnmower and a sleepy backwoods disc golf course(s) to what it evolved into. I have not been back in four years and had no idea all this other stuff way even going on. It just breaks my heart to see JJ crucified, but you guys seem to know the facts and it is what it is. It's just I remember him way before Facebook and the people and the changes and that's how I remember him. The goofy guy on the lawnmower that took pictures of everyone that played the course and posted pictures of the night skyline. This JJ you guys speak of is just awful that this is what he has become.
I don't have anything useful to add to the thread, but just wanted to say hello since I stumbled upon it and am learning all this stuff for the first time as someone who lives in the area and used to play the course before any of this really weird stuff started happening.
I live about two hours from HH, and started playing there maybe 15 years ago. I used to go up there a few times a year and it was great. JJ was almost always on site and it was very peaceful.
Perhaps 8-10 years ago, things definitely started changing and feeling different. JJ always had big plans (i.e. the year long living cabins on site people could buy), and I'm not sure I really cared for them or really was all that interested in hearing about them (or being asked if I wanted to be a partner in the endeavor). This all seemed fine and well I suppose since it seems like a gigantic piece of land and all the power to the man trying to make some money since I always wondered how disc golf can pay all the bills.
Anyway, perhaps 4 or 5 years ago things continued to shift again. At this point, bands were playing on site and lots more traffic was on site. The biggest problem I had was all the garbage everywhere and the filth of the campers on site and the total disregard of people staying on site cleaning up after themselves. The vibe at this point was so much different than when it was just JJ himself with his lawnmower and a sleepy backwoods disc golf course(s) to what it evolved into. I have not been back in four years and had no idea all this other stuff way even going on. It just breaks my heart to see JJ crucified, but you guys seem to know the facts and it is what it is. It's just I remember him way before Facebook and the people and the changes and that's how I remember him. The goofy guy on the lawnmower that took pictures of everyone that played the course and posted pictures of the night skyline. This JJ you guys speak of is just awful that this is what he has become.
I don't have anything useful to add to the thread, but just wanted to say hello since I stumbled upon it and am learning all this stuff for the first time as someone who lives in the area and used to play the course before any of this really weird stuff started happening.