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Pay2Play poll

if your free public courses turned pay, what would you do?

  • I'd still go every chance I got.

    Votes: 138 45.7%
  • I would definitely play a lot less.

    Votes: 46 15.2%
  • I would start playing at better pay2play courses

    Votes: 71 23.5%
  • I'm not paying for this course, especially when there are other park goers all over it.

    Votes: 45 14.9%
  • I'm done throwing frisbee, I'm gonna start paintballing!

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • Total voters
    302
  • Poll closed .
I guess it depends on some details, possibly missing. In the cited example, did the parks department just lease the pro shop, or did they cut a deal for the lessee to operate the course? If the latter, I'd assume the lease terms are different, to recognize the potential income from user fees.

If the pro shop operator simply decided to charge for play, without such an agreement, what would keep people from playing without paying?
 
If all the free courses in public parks around you suddenly turned into payplay, how would it affect you? Assume these courses are on multi use land and open to walkers and any other patrons of the parks(parties, dog walkers, kite flyers, etc.)

The course is already maintained well by the parks dept for everyone free use. Then dg turns to pay but no one else, park still open to everyone, the course is already pretty much kept up with nice pads, signs baskets. Just new pro shop management, with no way to keep non dg out. The only change would be dg traffic, I assume.

Park dept not charging. Park leases out the pro shop space. New Leasee decides that they are going to charge to play the course. The local club made all the improvements from monthly fees and donations. Pro shop guy just wants more money.

So, the above is the question? How would some guy with a disc shop, leased from some park service, charging just disc golfers to enter a park, while the local club and park service pays to maintain the course, charge me to play in conjuction with all other area course, impact me? Well, I would just park and walk to hole 4, out of sight of the shop and play disc golf. :confused:
 
Depends how much it is. I love dg enough that I don't have a problem paying to play if it was a low yearly fee. If we're talking 10 bucks a day I'm out. I'd be taking my pratice basket over to a soccer field or buying my own hunk of land
 
A few courses here are P2P. The ones that are look for $5 per round or day, depends on the course. There are a few that are worth the $5 in maintenance alone. There is a $5 P2P course that I have played a couple of times. Every time played, I have wanted to ask for $2 back. That simply has to do with it is not a great course. It is very well maintained, however the design is lacking on a few holes. This is a super high traffic course, so the $5 helps.

I can tell you that P2P does not cut down on courses where you find broken glass or graffiti. There is an example near me. Two courses that are equally challenging, one is P2P and one is not. Both have had their fair share of broken glass and graffiti.

The city free park with a P2P course is a bit baffling to me. Considering how the course came to being and the multi-use is strange. For a person who builds a course and maintains it on their private land, P2P clearly makes sense. Baskets, tree clearing, maintenance, and cement are not free.

Bottom-line, P2P makes sense for some situations, however not all. There are rumors of a few city courses here going P2P. Of the three, only 1 will get my dollars. The other two will need to do some very serious upgrades and changes.
 
I wouldn't want every course to go P2P. We need free courses for chuckers and noobs. But if making them P2P makes them better I'd still go.
 
I wouldn't want every course to go P2P. We need free courses for chuckers and noobs. But if making them P2P makes them better I'd still go.

I'm with this for the most part. In my experience, P2P also helps to keep out the people that are there just an excuse to drink/smoke/cause trouble/etc.
 
I'd be doing a WHOLE LOT more fieldwork and make the most of my time when I did play a round. I do believe in p2p however, just not on ALL courses. I would be fine with most though.
 
really weird concept. i started off playing only pay courses.

but i cant imagine a pay course where non players can freely enter the course area. it seems like

a. plenty of people are going to not pay and play

b. you lose all the benefits of it being a pay course. ive played mediocre pay courses(in maine) but at least there was no non-disc presence on the course.
 
really weird concept. i started off playing only pay courses.

but i cant imagine a pay course where non players can freely enter the course area. it seems like

a. plenty of people are going to not pay and play

b. you lose all the benefits of it being a pay course. ive played mediocre pay courses(in maine) but at least there was no non-disc presence on the course.

In Madison, if you're caught playing disc golf without a pass or tag, it's a $90 fine (IIRC). All the ranger has to do is witness you playing (not going for a walk, jogging, etc) and if he cards the group and you don't have a pass?

Sorry, Charlie.

There are plenty of stories about people trying to sneak on the course to play and then getting busted.

Do people get away with it? Sure. Sometimes.
 
In Madison, if you're caught playing disc golf without a pass or tag, it's a $90 fine (IIRC). All the ranger has to do is witness you playing (not going for a walk, jogging, etc) and if he cards the group and you don't have a pass?

Sorry, Charlie.

There are plenty of stories about people trying to sneak on the course to play and then getting busted.

Do people get away with it? Sure. Sometimes.
that would do it. is it the same in the minnesota course that someone was mentioning?
 
i'm in sort of the same boat as peter_127.

i don't play kaposia in the summer really at all - i don't see why it's considered a "great" course just going by the challenge alone, much less course conditions, and i don't see improvements being made. every hole is straight or hyzer. it's a pain for lefties, that's about it. i see pics on here that look nothing like kaposia now, so i think it may be past its heyday. on the other hand, apparently the valley has grown and improved by leaps and bounds. perhaps that's where the money/effort went to, which i guess i can understand. you can only tackle so much at once.

if lakewood hills turned pay to play i'd go. if oakwood did i'd go as long as they clean up all the glass and stop people from trying to dig out 14's basket which tom marcus generously *DONATED* to the course. i was so royally pissed when i saw that, i was tempted to wait out there and see if they tried to finish the job just so i could call the cops on them. if acorn were pay to play i'd laugh. there's apparently something in the works to put in better teepads.

i would not ever pay to play every single time i went to these courses, i'd definitely buy a pass that includes access to multiples though.

i guess it depends on what kind of a pass - if i could get a season pass for multiples ala the valley and kaposia, then okay. i'd go just as often as before.
 
There's rangers that patroll the 3 rivers courses, I know I've been checked at Bryant. (don't play Elm creek often enough, and it would be tough to get past the chalet and play at HSSA without being seen). I've never been checked at BRP, but there's always folks working around every corner. Kaposia or The Valley I haven't seen patrolled, but it would be tough to play the holes near the parking lot without being seen, though they are only open at certain times of the day on certain days, if they're not around can't pay anyway.
 
If I'm paying to play a course on a public property, the space the course is on should be FOR GOLFERS ONLY. No dog walkers, trail runners, or soccer players who decide hole 10 is a great place to play and kick around at. Seriously, if I'm playing a hole I paid to play, I should be able to puncture any wayward soccer balls that find their way on the hole.
 
If my POS course suddenly turned pay to play I'd never go back, but if it meant tougher greens and sculpted fairways designed for the advanced player I'd gladly pay my hard earned money to enjoy a higher level of play.
 
Oh, to be in the South

Except for my introduction to disc golf in its first year in southern California, pretty much all of my experience has been on public park courses in the southeastern U.S. Except for Macon, GA and Reidsville, NC, where a park entrance fee is charged to every visitor, I've never encountered a charge specifically for disc golf, except at the extinct Bryan Park course, north of Greensboro. And that was only in the Summer, when the adjoining miniature golf course was open. Cedarock Park did set up a voluntary collection box for awhile, suggesting $3, to help in the acquisition of new land. It was poorly placed, missing all of the vehicles turning into the first parking lot for the open course and for the horse trails. I generally put a dollar in it, after getting out of my car, as the new land was (is?) supposed to include a new, nine hole beginners' DG course. It's a safe bet that none of the horse people, who put as many or more alcoholic beverage containers into the courses' trash cans as or than the discers do, while their beasts of burden crap and poop all over our greens, tees, and fairways never contributed anything to the collection box, despite that the primary use of the new land is going to be "a world class equestrian center", with miles more of trails. And they're not charged anything for using a whole lot more of the park that DG does.
Private courses must be much more prevalent in the North than around here. I know of only three in this general area, and only one of them is really 'on par' with the area's public courses.
In planning and implementing The SPC last year, the city R & P director was adamant about wanting it to be free to play. The parks can make money from DG in other ways, like getting a cut of tourney monies, and by selling DG stuff, like Cedarock and Lake Reidsville do. One of the primary draws to disc golf is supposed to be that it doesn't cost a fortune, like ball golf and other sports.
 
My local course is Cumberland Green. GO ahead, look it up. Not worth the money.

But luckily, Colorado has a grip of AWESOME pay to plays like Jellystone, Bucksnort, Magic Meadows and Phantom Falls. I'd just take a drive and play those more.
 

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