BgWvDave
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So why isn't that questionable boggy area roped off so the OB is defined more clearly? Ricky seems pretty upset about this deal. at least there isn't a spotters chair there, haha
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:clap::clap::clap:Swampgate
Correct. arguably one of the hardest hole out there. 6 would be close in difficulty as well. but it still looks like a decently routine par...throw one straight, short downhill approach to the green, make the putt (I know, easier said than done )
So why isn't that questionable boggy area roped off so the OB is defined more clearly? Ricky seems pretty upset about this deal. at least there isn't a spotters chair there, haha
We've always played casual water as casual, even if you have to throw from chin deep in it. Not sure why surrounded by casual water would be ruled any differently...
So why isn't that questionable boggy area roped off so the OB is defined more clearly? Ricky seems pretty upset about this deal. at least there isn't a spotters chair there, haha
For me it is all about the orientation of the water and the fairway. Casual relief is first available lie within 5 meters directly back from your lie in line with the basket. so if going directly back 5 meters keeps you in water or better yet puts you in deeper water, then make it OB.We've always played casual water as casual, even if you have to throw from chin deep in it. Not sure why surrounded by casual water would be ruled any differently...
respectfully...obviously that was not the case. As we just had a 15 minute discussion with three of the top players in the sportBecause "the swamp is OB" should be obvious enough without ropes.
incorrect. Uli was arguing the exact opposite...until he jumped knee deep in mud hahaI'm trying to figure out exactly how that area is worded in the caddy book. McBeth seemed pretty insistent that it was casual, but Rick and Uli were just as sure it was OB.
Also I can't believe it took them so long to play a freaking provisional
respectfully...obviously that was not the case. As we just had a 15 minute discussion with three of the top players in the sport
Here's a thought:
If you're playing a course on a lake and the hole instructions say "Lake is OB", and you're drive lands clearly IN the lake, but there happens to be a small rock 20 feet out from shore that is just sticking out of the water enough to hold your disc above water, are you now inbounds? HOW DO YOU KNOW IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROPES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
It's a true NT. No age divisions, no ams, just Open and Women. Just the two divisions that count toward the NT standings. We need more of these.
For what it's worth, the Maple Hill Open in all its iterations (MSDGC, Vibram Open, MHO) has never offered a Masters division. They used to offer Grandmasters but got rid of it as the Gold course got longer and harder and ill-fitting for such a division.
You are NOT in bounds......
Because you are clearly surrounded by an OB lake.
Exactly. So how was it not obvious that Paul was completely surrounded by an OB swamp?
The reason a player in Paul's position should argue if the status isn't clear cut should be obvious as well. What if the players saying "OB" are wrong? Why should he, or any player, take an unnecessary penalty if they may not deserve it. It's not petty or foolish to argue that point. I guarantee if it had been someone else who'd thrown into that exact spot, they'd be arguing that they were in-bounds just as vehemently as Paul was (and perhaps Paul would have been on the other side of the debate...who knows?). And I wouldn't blame them a bit.