[Innova] Innova Gargoyle

[Mocheez]

The rim thickness is 1.4 cm. I am thinking it's going to be a mid/fairway tweener.

 

[DinosaurThunder]

If I were guessing, I'd say maybe this will be the disc to compete with the verdict/bard. They could use a longer, overstable compliment to the Roc that is not a meat hook. Something a little shallower perhaps. I thought the commander was supposed to be that disc but it seems to have been permanently tabled.

That would be a good disc. I won't hold my breath though. As it has been said, just because it was approved, doesn't mean it will be available. I was all excite to try a Hawg too, then it just disappeared.

https://youtu.be/otuyJTylXcg?t=19m8s

Reminds me of this question in the Ask Dave video. Would be funny if after this question they brought back the bull roc variation and called it the gargoyle.

 

[Pwingles]

Justice competition?

 

[august dupree]

My guess is that this is going to be a VCro.

 

[Streets]

Seriously?! No one?

 

[hugheshilton]

The rim thickness is 1.4 cm. I am thinking it's going to be a mid/fairway tweener.

I doubt it. You have to get up to 1.5 - 1.6 cm rims before you're into real tweener territory, and the rim config isn't really sharp enough for this to look anything like a fairway driver. For example, the Viper and Leo both have rim configurations of 29 whereas this disc is 43. Also, discs like the Pig and Hydra have 1.4 cm rims and they are considered fast putters. If it's not a small diameter mid, I'd guess this is a fast putter or putter/mid tweener.

 

[Improbably]

My optimistic hope is that it is a 10th anniversary reissue of the Beadless Gremlin mold. They made about 500 of them in 2006 and they are now almost impossible to find because a certain avid collector personally owns about half the run.

But that would be too good, it's probably going to be some new beaded VTech garbage only available in XT and Gstar.

 

[hugheshilton]

My optimistic hope is that it is a 10th anniversary reissue of the Beadless Gremlin mold. They made about 500 of them in 2006 and they are now almost impossible to find because a certain avid collector personally owns about half the run.

But that would be too good, it's probably going to be some new beaded VTech garbage only available in XT and Gstar.

Hmmm, most of the stats do actually line up with the Gremlin. The Gremlin has a 1.8 cm height whereas this is 2.0, and the rim config on the Gremlin is 45 whereas this is 43. However, those could just be measuring anomalies.

I think the main argument against this being a Gremlin variant is that Innova wouldn't send it in for PDGA approval in that case. Innova seems to hate getting anything approved that they don't absolutely have to. They never got any of the -3 discs approved even though they have a different top mold piece so technically they should have required approval. If this were a Gremlin variant, I doubt they would have sent it in for PDGA approval honestly.

 

[SD86]

My guess is that this is going to be a VCro.

That could well be. All V-Tech discs are beaded (that's part of it being V-Tech), so those who want this to be beaded would get their wish.

A couple of things came to my mind reading this thread:

The "approach" discs (fast putters) are becoming the new thing. Prodigy had the A1-A4 series; Innova came out with the Stud, Colt and Mirage, etc. From what some of y'all said, this could be a more overstable approach disc to go along with the Stud, Colt, Mirage, etc.

V-Cro sounds plausible. I don't know if the Commander was a V-Tech disc, but if not, could this be a V-Commander?

Time will tell, I guess. I'm still more interested in production Mysteres.....

 

[93EXCivic]

Innova's line up one of the great mysteries of life.

 

[PMantle]

I bought a Gremlin and never figured out a good use for it.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Like any of us will hit fewer trees with a Gargoyle than we do with a insert mold of your choice here. :|

 

[Mulligan]

I bought a Gremlin and never figured out a good use for it.

Fun disc, didn't do anything all that much better than something else that they already have.
(^ Basically my description of every Innova mold that will be created now to eternity.)

 

[PMantle]

Like any of us will hit fewer trees with a Gargoyle than we do with a insert mold of your choice here. :|

I think my Champ Leopard goes through the wood itself. Best doggone woods disc I've ever owned.

 

[ThrowBot]

Like any of us will hit fewer trees with a Gargoyle than we do with a insert mold of your choice here. :|

I am going to hit zero trees ever with a gargoyle, which is significantly fewer than the trees I'll probably hit with molds I plan to throw

 

[Improbably]

Hmmm, most of the stats do actually line up with the Gremlin. The Gremlin has a 1.8 cm height whereas this is 2.0, and the rim config on the Gremlin is 45 whereas this is 43. However, those could just be measuring anomalies.

Or production anomalies. Many discs produced in more recent times simply have more dome than they did 10+ years ago.

I think the main argument against this being a Gremlin variant is that Innova wouldn't send it in for PDGA approval in that case. Innova seems to hate getting anything approved that they don't absolutely have to. They never got any of the -3 discs approved even though they have a different top mold piece so technically they should have required approval. If this were a Gremlin variant, I doubt they would have sent it in for PDGA approval honestly.

I'm still reasoning from a standpoint of optimism and not convinced this will be the Beadless Gremlin mold I want but...

Since Innova is contract producing the Gremlin for Discmania now they may have to get approval for a variant of it so as to not muddy up whatever their contract agreement is.

A similar case is the Millenium Mortar. It's the Beadless Gator mold from about 10 years ago.

On the topic of variants the PDGA used to have an approved variants PDF but I have not seen it in years.

 

[DinosaurThunder]

Any new information on this? A vtec cro would be amazing!

 

[JamesXC]

This is definitely not a beadless Gremlin. I got to feel one yesterday and it has an enormous bead. I actually felt more like beaded fairway than anything else. I didn't get to throw it, but I heard a couple people say that it flew very straight.

 

[SD86]

This is definitely not a beadless Gremlin. I got to feel one yesterday and it has an enormous bead. I actually felt more like beaded fairway than anything else. I didn't get to throw it, but I heard a couple people say that it flew very straight.

Sounds like V-Tech. Only question is: V-Tech adaptation of what?

 

[Moose33]

Bead on a fairway, gross.

They Vain tried it and it made it kind of hard to warm up to.