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Simon Lizotte - Shouldn't HE be the best?

Would like to see him strong a few quality finishes together.
 
Simon is fun to watch. He's very likable. He also lacks that killer instinct that would make him one of the all time greats. Seems like he prefers the fun shot over the best shot for the particular situation.
 
I dunno. Could have had a great round. Now he failed into a solid round. Different story if lets say he faced some random adversity early in the round, and then fought back to that -albeit the same- solid score.
 
txmxer said:
Who doesn't love Simon?

His ability to play DG is incredible. There's an ingredient missing for him in comparison to PMB, Ricky, a few others—something in focus or intensity.

This is not a criticism—no need for hate.

But I've wondered what it would be like if he could just take that half step and be on top with the 1050 boys. Getting the big wins. He's a "fun" guy.

He's already a fantastic ambassador fOR DG. He kind of straddles the line between competitive and the one that has the most fun wins.

Be cool to see the guy having the most fun be the winner.

Round 1 at USDGC was solid. Hoping to see him have a good tournament.
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I just don't think he cares enough to put in the time and energy needed to elevate his game to the next level. IMO it's totally possible for him to be on top with the 1050 boys but not sure if he is capable of pushing himself there
 
There is a YouTube video where Simon and Paul (McBeth, not Ulibarri) played a course with each one selecting the other's shots. Paul had Simon play more conservatively and Simon had Paul taking more chances. Simon actually played better, had less stress on his elbow, and ended up saying that he might change his style some.

Simon loves amazing people with his throws...that's what is important to him. He seems like he'd like to win, but doing the unique throws is his preference....although, in recent tournament videos he does seem to be playing a bit more conservatively.

I enjoy watching Simon and the weird things he does. From the Jonesboro Open in 2017, I learned that the obvious route isn't always the best. In the Jomez YouTube videos, check out hole 11 each day. It is a dogleg left and round 1, Simon threw sideways off the teepad. His shot went over the adjacent fairway, which was wide open and a much better option. On the coverage of round 3, the commentators said there was now a mando since more players threw that way on round 2 and the TDs were concerned players on the adjacent fairway would get hit. There's a hole on my 'home' course where the planned tee shot is between two trees and over a bush...then the disc has to go left. A better play is sideways off the teepad with a shot that will end to the right. It gives the possibility of being closer to the basket than if the planned path was followed.
 
Flick Maniac said:
You can be Paul. You can train insane amounts. Put in the work.

You cant be Simon, unless you have innate talent.

Simon with Pauls work ethic and determination, would be 1070 rated easy.
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are you suggesting that paul doesn't have innate talent? or just less than Simon? I could maybe agree with the second but the first heck nah
 
robdeforge said:
I just don't think he cares enough to put in the time and energy needed to elevate his game to the next level. IMO it's totally possible for him to be on top with the 1050 boys but not sure if he is capable of pushing himself there
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Let me ask you this:

What would he gain from getting up there with them?

He has stated before that he makes more money from YouTube than tourney winnings, has a great sponsorship with Discmania, and moves plastic like mad. He's easily one of the most recognizable faces and seems like one of the most well liked people on the tour.
 
I heard Simon talk about this recently--post his Europe trip. He talked about really trying to be focused prior to the event and not visiting friends and basically said it was miserable. He doesn't want to live that way.

It is not who he is.

I get that. I want him to be himself--I was just thinking about the "what if" he played his game and just happened to get on a hot streak where everything was just working? I'm sure he's had wins and such where that's kind of what happened, just haven't seen it since I started watching.
 
jakebake91 said:
He has stated before that he makes more money from YouTube than tourney winnings, has a great sponsorship with Discmania, and moves plastic like mad. He's easily one of the most recognizable faces and seems like one of the most well liked people on the tour.
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So you're basically saying he's on the same level as Brodie?
 
I would love to play a round with Simon. I'd reluctantly play a round with Brodie. The two have totally different energy.
 
Rob Martin said:
THIS.

The very very very elite athletes are obsessive to the point of almost being unhealthy.

I've seen a retriever hunting dog that was so obsessive about retrieving the target in the water that you could keep throwing the target back to the water and the dog would keep retrieving it until it would seem as though the dog would drown from exhaustion. The owner would need to actually stop throwing it because the dog won't stop retrieving it. I see some elite athletes as being that driven that it's unhealthy.
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Another perspective is......a type of perfectionism which rises above and beyond healthy levels of attention...example...Michael Jordan...he is not a fulfilled human...chasing the next thing to fill some type of emptiness...people who are driven to literally near insane levels of performance are likely doing so as a means of probably using it to cope with some degree of a deep sense of insufficiency.
 
I think Simon is more competitive than he makes out to be. And the people pleaser talk and some of the risks are a bit of a defense mechanism.
 
Jimb said:
I don't often post to disagree with someone, but in this case I must. :) Sure I enjoy "Simon routes" and such. I also like his personality. Don't get me wrong.

But I love the accuracy and precision that McBeth plays with. I didn't look up the stats, But his scrambling is amazing, too.

Plus I think back to the 2015 Worlds, round 5, at Moraine. Check out the CCDG coverage. Hole #6 typically sees rollers and low air shots under a grove of trees. But Paul took the "Simon", errrrr, "McBeth" route over everything. It was ridiculous. So Paul definitely has that side to him. I think that some people discount apartment l's distance. That whole round was awesome to watch.
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That hole was incredible to watch. Most of the guys are scrambling for a par after their first or second shot, and McBeth hits one tree on his second that costs him an eagle look.
 
jakebake91 said:
Let me ask you this:

What would he gain from getting up there with them?

He has stated before that he makes more money from YouTube than tourney winnings, has a great sponsorship with Discmania, and moves plastic like mad. He's easily one of the most recognizable faces and seems like one of the most well liked people on the tour.
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some people like winning :shrug:
 
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