Rule on Post Tee-off stance

[nygfaninva]

Yeah, so your front foot has to be behind the marker/disc. But can your throwing hand and arm reach out over it as long as your front foot is behind the marker/disc? Not supported on anything, just out there ahead of the marker/disc, as long as your front foot stays behind it?

And this applies to all throws, not just Putts, right?

 

[discinator]

My understanding is that whatever you place behind the disc as a supporting point must be inline with the basket behind the disc. All other points of contact must be no closer to the basket than your point behind the marker. I guess in laymans terms this means as long as your foot( or hand, whatever) is within 30 cm of the marker and inline with the basket, then you can lean out/ stretchout, etc as long as when you lean out you aren't leaning closer to the basket than your marker.

 

[garublador]

None of your supporting points can be closer to the basket than the back of your marker. One of your supporting points must be within 30cm of the back of the marker (not touching the marker) and in-line with the marker and basket. There is no rule as to where the disc has to be except that you have to throw it yourself.

 

[JR Stengele]

You can lean over but not hang on to anything.

 

[magictenor1]

You can lean or stretch as far as you can but if you are putting you can't fall forward. As JR said you can't support yourself on anthything because then that would be a supporting point beyond your marker.Discinator is incorrect, You can be closer to the basket then your marker when you lean or stretch as long as your foot is behind the marker.

 

[ERicJ]

You can lean over but not hang on to anything.

Not true. You are allowed to hang on to objects behind your lie that are inbounds. See the Rules Q&A section. http://pdga.com/rules/qa.php

Rule Question: Maintaining balance while putting

Question"I have a good rules question for you involving the stance rules. A player uses an object (in this case a branch) behind him to maintain balance for a putt. First, would this be considered "full control of balance"? Second, could you argue, if the branch is not so large that the players body weight will not move it, that it is a violation of 803.03 D and or 803.04 A because they could have moved the branch less by not hanging on it? Thanks for any input."

Response
The question can be boiled down to: Can a player hold on to an object behind his lie to maintain balance while throwing/putting?

Applicable rules:

• 803.04 (Stance)
• 803.05 (Obstacles and Relief)
• 804.05 (Disqualification and Suspension)

Discussion:

The rules do not require that you maintain your balance while putting. You can have a grand mal seizure as long as you don't step ahead of your lie. At the time you decide to step ahead of your lie is when you have to demonstrate balance. This is simply to prove that you are not committing a falling putt, such that you would not be able to stop yourself from falling forward due to the motion of your putt. Grabbing a branch is merely acquiring another support point, which is perfectly legal, as long as it is not ahead of your lie.

Holding on to something BEHIND your lie is not prohibited by the rules, provided that the tree that the golfer is using as a supporting point is in-bounds (803.03.A (3)).

The branch must not be moved, or else the player would be in violation of one or both of 803.04.D and 803.05.A, which require you to take the stance that results in the least movement of objects that are part of the course and which prohibit you from moving a branch to "make room for a throwing motion".

Conclusion:

A player can hold on to something behind her lie, in certain circumstances, without violating the PDGA rules. In general that which is not prohibited by the PDGA rules is allowed, provided of course, that the action done by the player is not considered "a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play". (This, of course, is cheating!)

Other Comments:

Many members of the committee have actually tried to hold on to some object behind their lie, while leaning forward to throw or putt. In our opinion this action makes the ensuing throw/putt MORE difficult to accomplish.

The PDGA Rules Committee

 

[iDisc]

there is rule on the tee off? i knew there was a rule with a mini but tee off stance?

 

[discinator]

Discinator is incorrect, You can be closer to the basket then your marker when you lean or stretch as long as your foot is behind the marker.

I was referring to leaning and stretching to the sides around objects. Like when you need to putt around a tree and stretch from your marker so you can get a better line. In this instance as long as your second point of contact isn't closer to the basket you are good. Obviously you can lean forward as long as you don't have another point of contact ahead of the marker.

 

[magictenor1]

Sorry I misunderstood your post.

 

[sparty]

Question about teeing off on the tee pad. Ive read the rule but have a hard time visualizing.. I throw a mean overhand and usually take the whole tee pad for my windup and release.

I release my disc at the very end of the teepad and after the disc is gone i run a step or 2 over the end of the tee pad, is this ok as long as I release the disc while one foot is still on the tee pad? And must I have one foot on the tee pad after the disc is gone or is it ok to run a couple steps off the front?

 

[bradharris]

Question about teeing off on the tee pad. Ive read the rule but have a hard time visualizing.. I throw a mean overhand and usually take the whole tee pad for my windup and release.

I release my disc at the very end of the teepad and after the disc is gone i run a step or 2 over the end of the tee pad, is this ok as long as I release the disc while one foot is still on the tee pad? And must I have one foot on the tee pad after the disc is gone or is it ok to run a couple steps off the front?

At the time the disc is released, you must have every supporting point within the teeing area.

Note that this only applies to the exact moment of release. Whatever happens before (run-up) or after (follow through) is not governed by stance rules.

 

[gradus]

All other points of contact must be no closer to the basket than your point behind the marker.

Based on how the rule is written, you could have one foot 30cm behind the marker, but your other foot slightly forward, no closer than the back edge of the marker.

A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.04 E); and,
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.

 

[JC17393]

Based on how the rule is written, you could have one foot 30cm behind the marker, but your other foot slightly forward, no closer than the back edge of the marker.

A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.04 E); and,
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.

You are correct, but you realize you're arguing with a six year old post, right?

 

[gradus]

You are correct, but you realize you're arguing with a six year old post, right?

:doh:

 

[scarpfish]

This is what happens when someone uses the search feature.

 

[BgWvDave]

This is what happens when someone uses the search feature.

:thmbup: or :thmbdown:

 

[DiscChainBasket18]

You don't see people "running up" to their mark because it's difficult to do. Look at your lie or look at your (throwing) line? Stumble & kick your mini & it's an added stroke! Arggh!
I say stand & deliver in this situation if you are uncomfortable running up to your lie.

P.S. The OP states: "Ok, I have only been playing for four months..."
Strangely your profile shows: Years Playing: 5.9??
What gives??opcorn:

 

[JC17393]

P.S. The OP states: "Ok, I have only been playing for four months..."
Strangely your profile shows: Years Playing: 5.9??
What gives??opcorn:

I really hope you're joking.

Four months earlier from the date of the original post = 5/13/08

5/13/08 to 5/7/14 = ~5.9 years

 

[Pwingles]

At the time the disc is released, you must have every supporting point within the teeing area.

Note that this only applies to the exact moment of release. Whatever happens before (run-up) or after (follow through) is not governed by stance rules.

Technically your non plant leg/foot or arms or pretty mcuh anything can be outside the tee area, so long as they arent touching the non tee surface.

 

[JC17393]

Technically your non plant leg/foot or arms or pretty mcuh anything can be outside the tee area, so long as they arent touching the non tee surface.

Technically, it's not a supporting point unless it's in contact with the playing surface. So what Brad said is technically correct.