gerth_vader
Birdie Member
Lmao, that was good :clap:
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DGPT: Approved Baskets for the Pro Tour
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Lmao, that was good :clap:
As far as band vs no band, I don't see much of a difference in how they catch. Obviously there's a few inches of metal above the assembly on the banded baskets, and many of the others have tall number things attached to those. Those affect discs going right above the basket, but now how it catches.
I see the cross chain baskets (Mach X, Prodigy) to be very different front the regular chains. This seems much more drastic to me. It takes a heavier putt to push in the chains on the cross chains, light putts can glance off. As a push putter I really notice this. We've got two nine hole courses in town, one with Discatchers and one with Prodigy, and I can really tell the difference on them. Yes, you don't get the putts that go diagonal and slide through the chains n the Prodigys, but that's really not something that happens to me much on the discatchers. But the guys that really fire hard into the basket likely feel different than me.
But I generally feel as comfortable on the DGA style baskets as I do the Discatchers when I play them. And I'm generally comfortable on the Prodigys, I've played them enough now to change my putting style on them and put a bit more on the putts.
I see the cross chain baskets (Mach X, Prodigy) to be very different front the regular chains. This seems much more drastic to me. It takes a heavier putt to push in the chains on the cross chains, light putts can glance off. As a push putter I really notice this. We've got two nine hole courses in town, one with Discatchers and one with Prodigy, and I can really tell the difference on them. Yes, you don't get the putts that go diagonal and slide through the chains n the Prodigys, but that's really not something that happens to me much on the discatchers. But the guys that really fire hard into the basket likely feel different than me.
But I generally feel as comfortable on the DGA style baskets as I do the Discatchers when I play them. And I'm generally comfortable on the Prodigys, I've played them enough now to change my putting style on them and put a bit more on the putts.
The band stops high putts IMO vs skip off the top.
Otherwise it is all just chains.. Do we want putt proof baskets?
Otherwise it is all just chains.. Do we want putt proof baskets?
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And isn't that lovely clank off of the band everyone's favorite sound in disc golf? :doh:
Come watch the Pro Tour. Please don't feed the monkeys.
New DGPT marketing slogan? I like it, although I'll admit this post almost caused me to spray my screen with coffee this morning!
Lol i forgot about that gem. Think itnwill make the DGPT cut?
biscoe
* Ace Member *
I love the dome topped baskets at Earlewood in SC- skips off the top go a mile.
lyleoross
* Ace Member *
I'm confused, is the Mach II innova or DGA.
And which came first, the patent or in the field modifications? Just curious if anyone knows.
No Arroyo Vortex Basket. Ahh Man.
I agree with this. Any style is the same for everyone in the tournament. Slight adjustments could be needed based on putting style, but adjusting shots to fit a course or tournament is part of the game.
As it should.
ScottyLove
Double Eagle Member
LOVE THESE TARGETS! Russ Burns does amazing hand-crafted work. It's nearly impossible to hit the pole on these as Russ uses a much heavier gauge chain. So you do get what I call true spit outs with softer putts as they something don't go far enough into the trap.
He is consideration a modification I recommended of lighter gauge on the outside and heavier on the inside which should appease those that say you have to putt too hard at a Monkey Trap to get it to stick.
Definitely the basket of choice in the region and what I use for practice at the office.
The Mach II is DGA, as are all the Mach baskets.
Ed filed for the dual chain patent, as JC alluded to, after determining smaller diameter discs were causing pole bounce outs and blow throughs with the existing single chain row setup at the time. The patent applications are great reading! Here's an excerpt from the Mach II patent application:
Entrapment devices for use in the game and which are designed to capture a disc which impacts a post are known in the prior art. See, for example, U.S. Pat. No. 4,039,189 (of which I am a co-inventor). The device disclosed in this patent includes a post with an inverted basket mounted on the post, and a group of chains (8 or more) with the upper ends thereof mounted above the basket in a circle and the lower ends extending into the basket. The device described in the above patent, while functioning very satisfactorily with large, lightweight discs (e.g., 23 centimeters or more in diameter and about 100 grams in weight), does not always capture discs which are smaller and heavier. Smaller and heavier discs, for example, having a diameter of 21 centimeters (cm) and a weight up to 175 grams, when thrown travel faster and farther than the large, lightweight discs. For this reason the smaller, heavier discs have become very popular for use in the game. However, it has been observed that a disc of 21 cm diameter and weighing approximately 175 grams has enough kinetic energy to separate the chains, hit the post of the prior art device and bounce back several feet or separate the chains, miss the post and exit through the chains on the other side. In either event the entrapment device does not capture the disc and the unlucky player's score will be greater than it should be.
https://www.google.com/patents/US4461484
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lyleoross
* Ace Member *
You wrote that Dave D. had the patent, that's what caused the confusion. It seemed as if he, DD, made the leveled edge disc, then filed a patent for a device that could better catch it by your post. Of course, I may still not understand?
lyleoross
* Ace Member *
On the other hand, it is clear that Ed was thinking about the mods introduced, and bounce outs. But that should not come as a surprise.
lyleoross
* Ace Member *
That also leaves unanswered, did Ed have the idea, or did it occur organically on courses, and he was just savvy enough to drop a patent on the idea?
Oh sorry, yeah that was a mistake! Crap I wish I could edit to fix that, thanks for pointing that out though.
The kids all fire their putts in a 100mph. So Prodigy is all the rage. I'd rather putt on the homemade baskets at my local course and listen to the kids gripe about them and 3 putt.
Lazerface
Eagle Member
Random Outcomes is the key here. If it were as simple as "adjust your putt" for a Chainstar that would be one thing, but what Dana and other pros are getting at, IMO, is that the spit out margin is too narrow to expect a player to "adjust" their style. In my experience Chainstars spit putts that would of otherwise stayed in if the putt would have entered the chain assembly less than an inch all 4 ways (up, down, left, right). So, these spit outs are not something the player can reasonably overcome once you get past 20 feet or so, and therefore, create random outcomes, which is what you want to minimize in competition as much as possible.
It's the same logic with fairways in the woods. A 6 foot gap 250 FT down a fairway is bad. On the surface, it's fair, because you just have to "hit the gap", but any good player knows that is just a crap shoot kind of shot.
Titans should be on the list fo sho though.
