I'm a big surge fan, although I haven't thrown them in a while lately. I've thrown Z plastic, the SS, and ESP. I do like the surge ESP, great grip. I like new surges, but once they break in, they tend to start flipping for me. However, they make great anhyzer discs once broken in. I like the rim width, similiar to a wraith, might be a little smaller, almost like an orc. About as fast as a wraith. Like throwing them for low ceiling, straight shots, or even controlled hyzer shots, (still working on anhyzers). An easy disc to rip out of your hand and let it fly. The SS are good for nice high S turns.