chrishysell
* Ace Member *
The overstable driver I use is an ESP Surge. I only throw it backhand because it's such a meathook. Other than that I have an ESP Nuke.
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Lower Power Thrower - Do I really Need Overstable driver??
- Thread starter hendersondayton
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ian.
*Legalize It*
hey chris just curious..you use the older esp surge or the nate doss? i havent thrown the older ones but the few nd surge i had werent really that stable..im sure my form at the time didnt help them either tho
OP. Yes. Get an overstable driver. I am a low power guy and use a XXX for at least a few shots every round.
I agree with Sloppy. My power range is in your wheelhouse, and a Firebird is in my bag. Do I need it? No, but it makes a number of shots much easier for me. I will forgo one on a dead calm day sometimes, but otherwise it is in the bag.
A 170ish Champ Eagle-X is not enough for heavy winds, even when new, especially if you forehand much.
A 170ish Champ Eagle-X is not enough for heavy winds, even when new, especially if you forehand much.
hendersondayton
Eagle Member
Orc's are considered understable though right? i assume though, that in my power range it is going to act OS for me?
I will see what I can find for an Star Eagle-X, Champ Banshee, and a Firebird. I have a buddy with an Champ Orc that i think is pretty heavy so i will try that out.
KMaC
Double Eagle Member
Orcs are not very HSS though, so if you put some juice into one it will turn quite a bit.
discmeister
Eagle Member
A star teebird would be plently overstable for 280-300ft and you will reeealy enjoy it once it is broken in to like a 7/10.
chrishysell
* Ace Member *
I bought a stack of fly dyed ESP Surges that were flatter and more overstable than Z Flicks. The other Surges i throw are the proto Surges and a batch of really gummy orange Z Surges from 2009. I buy so much plastic that I have a lot to look through to find the stuff I like. I have never thrown a ND Surge.
I'd suggest for backhand, at the range noted, a Gazelle. Try to get a Glow Champ. They're an amazing disc, will handle wind pretty well, and should still finish left. If you want one that's gonna take a left turn and keep on going, try a Firebird. I carry an 11x always. I don't use it for a lot of shots, but I have specific shots that I use it for, and on those shots, it's a must. If you're looking for forehand, try a Z flick in lighter weights (150g's). I also use it for overhead shots.
ian.
*Legalize It*
wow..thats sweet dude.. i threw the ND Surge for a bit but they just got to flippy way to fast..i ended up going to a different mold but did like the feel..sounds like i need to grab an old esp or z..a surge more stable than a flick just sounds nuts lol
Smcneil
Birdie Member
I agree with the eagle that was my first os driver 167g when I started. I still carry one in my bag at all times just in a heavier weight now 175g
Yes, pretty much any of those discs you mentioned would be fine for spike hyzers or hard skips to get around a hard left corner (assuming RHBH) about 100 - 175' out. My personal preference would be for the Firebird (longer shots) and the Whippet (shorter shots). The Monster should be the biggest meathhook (most overstable) in the bunch.
hendersondayton
Eagle Member
Follow up! I actually got a chance to throw a 167 Champ Banshee this weekend. It was amazing! As I stated, I throw a leopard. The banshee felt nice and I was able to throw it easily. I attached a picture of #5 at Handyman Ace Hardware Disc Golf Course....
269' Par 3.
I pulled out the banshee and parked the hole for the first time. I just threw it hard out to the RIGHT and let it fall...it was amazing!
Even better, it was an amazing Forehand disc! I don't forehand much (if at all). I was able to get that banshee to "S" curve so nicely with a little anny on release. It was awesome!
269' Par 3.
I pulled out the banshee and parked the hole for the first time. I just threw it hard out to the RIGHT and let it fall...it was amazing!
Even better, it was an amazing Forehand disc! I don't forehand much (if at all). I was able to get that banshee to "S" curve so nicely with a little anny on release. It was awesome!
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Sweet, glad you liked the Banshee. I think it is a very underrated overstable driver, much more useful than a faster disc like a Firebird for those of us with less-than-cannon arms.
jenb
* Ace Member *
I use the leopard as a main driver and have similar power. In addition to a teebird, I carry the whippet, banshee, and firebird, and they all fill different slots in my bag.
The teebird is for a little bit of headwind.
For headwind that is pretty stiff, I use the banshee.
The firebird only comes out in gale force headwinds like we get in Texas that will literally blow a person backwards off the tee, and flip a banshee up and make it land 200 feet behind me. I think most people just avoid playing in those conditions, but tournament players in this region have to deal with them.
The whippet is for overhead thumbers, and mid-range meathooks and low flick hyzers. I mostly use the whippet as an approach disc in situations where there is a lot of cover and I need to go to the side and make a sharp ninety-degree turn and come in low to have a good chance at making it through.
The teebird is for a little bit of headwind.
For headwind that is pretty stiff, I use the banshee.
The firebird only comes out in gale force headwinds like we get in Texas that will literally blow a person backwards off the tee, and flip a banshee up and make it land 200 feet behind me. I think most people just avoid playing in those conditions, but tournament players in this region have to deal with them.
The whippet is for overhead thumbers, and mid-range meathooks and low flick hyzers. I mostly use the whippet as an approach disc in situations where there is a lot of cover and I need to go to the side and make a sharp ninety-degree turn and come in low to have a good chance at making it through.
erock216
Eagle Member
get a vector. i have a noodle arm. i use this for my overstable duties.
the_lung
Eagle Member
^ This. :thmbup:
The first point is probably the most crucial. While the latter 3 probably don't require a very overstable driver as much for a lower power thrower, I can't imagine that a stable or understable disc would work well as a forehand roller, even for a lower power thrower. While the number of times you'll need to throw a forehand roller are probably few and far between, there are certain escape & emergency shots where they are absolutely essential. There are also some courses where a forehand roller is an indispensible tool which the course cannot be played without. For example, as the saying goes at Paw Paw, WV: "If you don't have a forehand roller before you play Paw Paw, you WILL after you've been there.
