Selah Ranch

[giles]

...it is a few pages back now but the referanced pictures were mine. They were from before the official opening and they were taken for our enjoyment and only uploaded as an afterthought. I have uploaded enough photos to get the "badge" and all but a few are proper photos that show the hole. I'd be fine with them being replaced with something more in line with the rest of the site.

 

[ambroze]

By the way, it also seems to be true that everyone who HAS met Dave considers him to be personable and humble.

Based on that fact, and based on my extensive dealings with Dave and Candy -- who have become wonderful friends of ours -- I urge everyone to resist the urge to rush to judgment based on a single e-mail. But it's a free country.

Puckstopper, as for your second area of disagreement with me, you make a good point that business e-mails are not subject to the same netiquette rules as personal e-mails. But for now I will refrain from further comment on that issue until I have more facts. As at least one alert reader noticed, we have never seen Ambroze's original e-mail to Dave, so we don't know what Dave was responding to.

Also, did anyone else notice that when Ambroze quoted Dave's e-mail, it started without capitalization:

"we are two private courses..."

That could just be a simple typo on Dave's part. It could also be that there is more to that e-mail that we have yet to see. I, for one, will not make a judgment on that e-mail without knowing more.

I'll be more than happy to provide the entire email chain since this is got blown way up and dissected from every angle. Let me clear up a few things. Why am i being called such a bad person along with puckstopper?

People who look bad after this: ambroze, puckstopper

First of all I NEVER asked for a discount and I never said anything negative about Dave? So where did all of this come from? I simply wanted to stop by and play 1 of the courses on my way through - that's all? I asked how much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course. Is that asking or expecting a discount? NO.

Here's my email:

I found your course on DGCR and mapped out the location and it's going to be on my way to McKinney, TX where I'm going next week. It says on DGCR under the description that the unlimited green fee is $20 a day and a cart is $30. If I am able to stop and play it will be with my wife and 2 year old daughter and we will only have time to play one course. How much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course and with a cart preferably for my wife and daughter? I would hope that would not end up costing me $50 total.

Also you guys look for me saying anything personally bad about Dave - I did say his reply was arrogant - that's my opinion.

As far as the capitalization at the beginning of Dave's reply I felt off this "Jimmy, " -

You guys really need to stop reading into things that are not there and assuming the worse. Also, for the record I sent the email off of Selah's website to: [email protected]

Everyone needs to chill.

 

[johnrhouck]

Jimmy,

Thank you for providing the missing information. I'm going to take you at your word that there is no more to it.

I think it's pretty clear now how all this came about, but I'm still confused by some of the things you've said. I am not going to attack you, and I'm not going to defend Dave or Selah or Dave's e-mail. All I want to do is understand. You're probably a very nice guy, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. My main interest is using this thread as a learning experience for all of us.

First of all, your position is that you never asked for or hoped for a discount. Here's what you wrote in your original e-mail:

"I would hope that would not end up costing me $50 total."

If that's not asking or hoping for a discount, what would you call it?

I can't see it as anything other than hoping for a discount, but maybe I'm missing something.

Second, I don't think anyone called you a bad person. Somebody did say that you "look bad" in this thread. Can you see the difference?

Third, you said "I took the email as patronizing and very arrogant!" Then you said you never said "anything personally bad about Dave." In your mind, what did you do: say something neutral about Dave? Say something bad about his response, but that's not saying anything bad about him?

Finally, you say that now "Everyone needs to chill." In your own words, this all started when "I was pretty upset last night over this email and... I thought I would vent a little." Can you see that this whole thing started when you decided to vent instead of chill?

If we can all "chill" and read each other's posts without preconceptions, maybe we can communicate in a way that uplifts the sport instead of bogging us all down.

Thanks,
John

I'll be more than happy to provide the entire email chain since this is got blown way up and dissected from every angle. Let me clear up a few things. Why am i being called such a bad person along with puckstopper?

People who look bad after this: ambroze, puckstopper

First of all I NEVER asked for a discount and I never said anything negative about Dave? So where did all of this come from? I simply wanted to stop by and play 1 of the courses on my way through - that's all? I asked how much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course. Is that asking or expecting a discount? NO.

Here's my email:

I found your course on DGCR and mapped out the location and it's going to be on my way to McKinney, TX where I'm going next week. It says on DGCR under the description that the unlimited green fee is $20 a day and a cart is $30. If I am able to stop and play it will be with my wife and 2 year old daughter and we will only have time to play one course. How much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course and with a cart preferably for my wife and daughter? I would hope that would not end up costing me $50 total.

Also you guys look for me saying anything personally bad about Dave - I did say his reply was arrogant - that's my opinion.

As far as the capitalization at the beginning of Dave's reply I felt off this "Jimmy, " -

You guys really need to stop reading into things that are not there and assuming the worse. Also, for the record I sent the email off of Selah's website to: [email protected]

Everyone needs to chill.

 

[ambroze]

Jimmy,

Thank you for providing the missing information. I'm going to take you at your word that there is no more to it.

I think it's pretty clear now how all this came about, but I'm still confused by some of the things you've said. I am not going to attack you, and I'm not going to defend Dave or Selah or Dave's e-mail. All I want to do is understand. You're probably a very nice guy, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. My main interest is using this thread as a learning experience for all of us.

First of all, your position is that you never asked for or hoped for a discount. Here's what you wrote in your original e-mail:

"I would hope that would not end up costing me $50 total."

If that's not asking or hoping for a discount, what would you call it?

I can't see it as anything other than hoping for a discount, but maybe I'm missing something.

Second, I don't think anyone called you a bad person. Somebody did say that you "look bad" in this thread. Can you see the difference?

Third, you said "I took the email as patronizing and very arrogant!" Then you said you never said "anything personally bad about Dave." In your mind, what did you do: say something neutral about Dave? Say something bad about his response, but that's not saying anything bad about him?

Finally, you say that now "Everyone needs to chill." In your own words, this all started when "I was pretty upset last night over this email and... I thought I would vent a little." Can you see that this whole thing started when you decided to vent instead of chill?

If we can all "chill" and read each other's posts without preconceptions, maybe we can communicate in a way that uplifts the sport instead of bogging us all down.

Thanks,
John

John. I'm tired of going on and on about this and beating my every word into the ground and having to defend myself. I'm sure something will come out of what I'm typing right now. What I've learned is you can't say anything on here without people ready to strike at you. It's that way everywhere on the Internet and I'm about done with any more posts. Chill meant stop coming back on everything I say. Lets try that okay.

 

[johnrhouck]

John. I'm tired of going on and on about this and beating my every word into the ground and having to defend myself. I'm sure something will come out of what I'm typing right now. What I've learned is you can't say anything on here without people ready to strike at you. It's that way everywhere on the Internet and I'm about done with any more posts. Chill meant stop coming back on everything I say. Lets try that okay.

Works for me.

 

[sloppydisc]

So what's going on in here?? You kids keep it down, and be nice.

Hey, I hear there is a couple cool courses down in TX. Does anyone have any nasty design complaints so I can pick on Mr. Houck next time I see him in NC? opcorn:

 

[jenb]

Yes, you can ask Mr. Houck why he insists that the 40+ women throw 200+ foot forced water carries,

 

[johnrhouck]

So what's going on in here?? You kids keep it down, and be nice.

Hey, I hear there is a couple cool courses down in TX. Does anyone have any nasty design complaints so I can pick on Mr. Houck next time I see him in NC? opcorn:

Mr. Sloppy, you know I love you, but why don't you quit sitting on the sidelines and do something constructive? For example, why don't you educate my Texan friends about all the things I did wrong on the Pittsboro course. And didn't I mark some trees you need to be cutting?

 

[77586]

So what's going on in here?? You kids keep it down, and be nice.

Hey, I hear there is a couple cool courses down in TX. Does anyone have any nasty design complaints so I can pick on Mr. Houck next time I see him in NC? opcorn:

Yeah, you can tell him I said that this place is waaay too far from Houston.

 

[StuMagoo]

Yes, you can ask Mr. Houck why he insists that the 40+ women throw 200+ foot forced water carries,

I don't believe there were any 200+ forced water carries. There was always an option to lay up or go around.

 

[cydisc]

In Reddit parlance: Selah Ranch 10/10 would hit.

 

[NDABRUSH]

I'll be more than happy to provide the entire email chain since this is got blown way up and dissected from every angle. Let me clear up a few things. Why am i being called such a bad person along with puckstopper?

People who look bad after this: ambroze, puckstopper

First of all I NEVER asked for a discount and I never said anything negative about Dave? So where did all of this come from? I simply wanted to stop by and play 1 of the courses on my way through - that's all? I asked how much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course. Is that asking or expecting a discount? NO.

Here's my email:

I found your course on DGCR and mapped out the location and it's going to be on my way to McKinney, TX where I'm going next week. It says on DGCR under the description that the unlimited green fee is $20 a day and a cart is $30. If I am able to stop and play it will be with my wife and 2 year old daughter and we will only have time to play one course. How much will that be if I wanted to only play 1 course and with a cart preferably for my wife and daughter? I would hope that would not end up costing me $50 total.

Also you guys look for me saying anything personally bad about Dave - I did say his reply was arrogant - that's my opinion.

As far as the capitalization at the beginning of Dave's reply I felt off this "Jimmy, " -

You guys really need to stop reading into things that are not there and assuming the worse. Also, for the record I sent the email off of Selah's website to: [email protected]

Everyone needs to chill.

I love the way you try to use your wife and 2 yr old to get a free golf cart(for my wife and 2yr old) or a discount in general.:thmbdown: If you want a safe place for your family.... try W.O. Harrington.

 

[StuMagoo]

I asked the cashier at Golden Corral today if I could get the buffet for half price because I wasn't that hungry. The freaking nerve of that cashier.....he told me no!

 

[kcplease]

In Reddit parlance: Selah Ranch 10/10 would hit.

Finally, someone I can understand.

 

[grodney]

I'll dig up a tee sign and give you a longer answer later, but the short answer is that if you want to take the two-shot route and play for eagle, the idea is that you'll need a 400' drive. If you can do that, you'll be past all those new trees and will have about another 400' to the pin.

If you don't want to try that tight straight (downhill) 400' drive, you can play the three-shot route, which starts with a drive to the right side down by the creek.

I didn't understand the new trees in the open area on #15 Lake, either. And the above doesn't help much. It's 320ish from the long tee to the short tee. By my recollection, it's another 100ish feet to the first new tree, with new trees scattered for the next 200(?)ish feet. So pre-trees, you needed 400ish to a pretty generous open area. But now if you throw 400 you're pretty much up against them. (I could easily be wrong on all this.)

Also eagerly anticipating the details on #14 Lake. I'm interested in how far the landing areas are off the tee, how big they are, how big the gaps are and at what distance off the tee, and how much distance is left after the landing areas.

Is there a mando on #18 Lake? I didn't see it. (Saw the one on Creek #8.) I don't think Lake #18 is getting enough love here. That's a pretty fantastic hole.

 

[jenb]

I don't believe there were any 200+ forced water carries. There was always an option to lay up or go around.

True enough. But I'm talking Internet distance. ;-)

 

[sloppydisc]

Mr. Sloppy, you know I love you, but why don't you quit sitting on the sidelines and do something constructive? For example, why don't you educate my Texan friends about all the things I did wrong on the Pittsboro course. And didn't I mark some trees you need to be cutting?

I can't really comment on Rock Ridge yet since it is not completed. I do have some questions, but have found that may times these can be answered by time and more work on the course. I guess I am a little slow, and can't see every line through the maze of orange painted trees.

If the Easer Bunny lets me, I'll try to go make a little more progress on Rock Ridge this weekend. Updates will be forthcoming on the Rock Ridge thread.

Back on topic now:

How many snakes are there at Selah? Do I need to come prepared with varmint rounds? It really sounds like a nice road trip plan, but not if I have to do battle or be overly wary of slimy reptiles. Should I just go in the winter?

 

[Pwingles]

I don't believe there were any 200+ forced water carries. There was always an option to lay up or go around.

This

I didn't understand the new trees in the open area on #15 Lake, either. And the above doesn't help much. It's 320ish from the long tee to the short tee. By my recollection, it's another 100ish feet to the first new tree, with new trees scattered for the next 200(?)ish feet. So pre-trees, you needed 400ish to a pretty generous open area. But now if you throw 400 you're pretty much up against them. (I could easily be wrong on all this.)

Also eagerly anticipating the details on #14 Lake. I'm interested in how far the landing areas are off the tee, how big they are, how big the gaps are and at what distance off the tee, and how much distance is left after the landing areas.

Is there a mando on #18 Lake? I didn't see it. (Saw the one on Creek #8.) I don't think Lake #18 is getting enough love here. That's a pretty fantastic hole.

I agree about 18. Great hole.

 

[jsc430]

I don't remember seeing any snakes when i was there. I'm sure they're out there. But i've been there in winter twice so it wasn't likely to see them then.

Their two yellow labs roam the property pretty freely so I don't think the owners are too worried about snakes.

 

[sloppydisc]

It's TX near water. There has to be snakes.