I *finally* managed to get out to my disc shop and picked up a Verdict. It's a 171g Lucid one, it looks great. I love the way it feels in the hand as well, it's shallow and the tiny bead is not noticable. It's very comfortable in my (small) hands. But I'm most impressed with the way it flies. It has very good high speed stability for my noodle arm, I saw no turn at all when I field tested it. It has a healthy fade, but it's not the dumpy kind of fade like for example a Firebird. I'm bagging a Spark and it's flight numbers are supposed to be 7 4 0 3, the Verdict is 5 4 0 3.5. The Spark is WAY more OS. The Spark starts fading immediately after leaving the hand, and it just continues to bank over until it's vertical and it's falling out of the sky like a brick. The Verdict goes straight after leaving the hand and once it starts slowing down the fade kicks in. It has a healthy fade, but it doesn't continue banking rapidly like the Spark, instead it kind of locks on to the bank angle and holds it, making it glide on the fade. It's AWESOME! It immediately kicked the Roc3 out of my bag. Freaking awesome disc