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tee shots over water
- Thread starter dray
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I'll bet that's even scarier with a 25-mph headwind.
This is another design consideration on long forced carries (over water, or anything else for that matter). A tough shot on a calm day might be an impossible shot on a windy day.
simpletwist
* Ace Member *
I think gonzo pretty much summed it up.
Como Park here in WNY has water coming into play on almost half of the holes. But the variety of shots with the creek and pond that the course plays through makes all of those holes challenging as well as different. There are only 2, three if you've got the arm, that you must drive directly over water. Then its either to the right or left or in the case of the 18th basket directly behind.
Como Park here in WNY has water coming into play on almost half of the holes. But the variety of shots with the creek and pond that the course plays through makes all of those holes challenging as well as different. There are only 2, three if you've got the arm, that you must drive directly over water. Then its either to the right or left or in the case of the 18th basket directly behind.
harold king
Par Member
opcorn:
I made it all the way to 18 before losing my second teebird in as many days. Yellow x-out, its yours if you find it. I fished for half an hour
not a fan of long, forced carries over water for a number of reasons, the primary one being that it's all black and white. a shot that diagonals over water and affords players a continuum of grey in their choice of how aggressive a line to take is much more interesting.
I love those kinds of shots where it's totally up to the player to decide how much to bite off. You can play the safe straight across or go for the glory with a bigger risk. The big par 5 along the lake at Winthrop offers that, you have to decide when to go for the green (or whether to go the long way around and avoid the water altogether).
Finding a water crossing that allows disc retrieval on a blown shot is a God-send.
None of that sissy safe route stuff here, make the carry or lose the disc is what I am used to...
Hole 7, Jordan Park
That's a prime example of what I don't like. While those shots are pretty,they are poor uses of hazards with great potential. For many players the water isn't really in play. For many players the water is either a guaranteed lost disc or a mandatory skipped hole. For a few players, whose max distance is the required carry + a few feet, the hole will separate a good shot from a bad shot for them.
Bottom line, for 90% of players the hazard is either overly punitive or doesn't come into play at all and doesn't present any grey area for true risk/reward strategizing.
Cgkdisc
.:Hall of Fame Member:.
There's a shorter tee (first drop zone?) on that hole and another drop zone on the other side. You could let the player who can't throw across from the shorter tee play from the really short DZ playing their 3rd shot.
ironmon
Bogey Member
30-40 feet can make a big difference
layup to the front of the water and throw across
layup to the front of the water and throw across
Lol, If I had a nickle for every layup shot that I have seen go too far and end up in the hazard. It is likely that if you are not able to throw across a 220' water carry...you aren't accurate enough to layup 60 of the 70' you have before the hazard. Cedar Hills in Raleigh is like this. I have seen plenty of people layup into the pond on hole 7 (I think)?
LoPan12
Double Eagle Member
I'll have to check back, don't have time to read this thread, but it looks interesting. On my home course (Buckhorn @Harris lake), there are 6 holes with water in play.
Two (8, 15) involve water behind the tee, to quash/scare 'go for the ace run' delusions.
One (17) involves a 300' foot hole with a 100' wide pond. With the basket on the far bank, so you try to go for it (low ceiling, no hyzer/anny lines) or lay up. But its a pond, so you CAN play around on the bank...
One (10) has a long tee that is 270' over an inlet of the lake, you HAVE to throw over water. But the short tee allows for no over-water play (which, incidently, I've lost more discs on...).
Two (9, 11) involve playing along the bank. They can both be done without going over water, but to birdie, you need to. They are fun holes, and even though I've played them many many times, I still struggle with what to do, and to do it right often...
Two (8, 15) involve water behind the tee, to quash/scare 'go for the ace run' delusions.
One (17) involves a 300' foot hole with a 100' wide pond. With the basket on the far bank, so you try to go for it (low ceiling, no hyzer/anny lines) or lay up. But its a pond, so you CAN play around on the bank...
One (10) has a long tee that is 270' over an inlet of the lake, you HAVE to throw over water. But the short tee allows for no over-water play (which, incidently, I've lost more discs on...).
Two (9, 11) involve playing along the bank. They can both be done without going over water, but to birdie, you need to. They are fun holes, and even though I've played them many many times, I still struggle with what to do, and to do it right often...
I'm thinking pond hole at Buckhorn is longer than you think. Either that or I am a noodle-armed pansy-ass.
Oh yeah, I am a noodle arm...
Oh yeah, I am a noodle arm...
To be sure ... don't carry 300' downhill and you're wet. Fade too soon and the backside of the damn is rough. Turn too much and trees knock you down; wet. Too long and there's an OB fence 15' beyond the pin to the right. Yeah, it's scary ... but fun!
