tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Care to post a full pic of the bottom of the disc? The tooling will help verify whether it's a Roc or a variant.
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[Innova] The mythical Innova ROC
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notroman
* Ace Member *
I had a green metal flake CFR that I really liked that ended up at the bottom of a pond. I'm pretty sure it was penned "R" as well.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
I can't recall there being any MF USDGC Rocs released, and it's not like they've released any Champ Rocs outside of the USDGC runs. Guessing it's a + or 3 mold, but that's pure speculation. Aren't the + molds Rancho tooled but with the tooling in a different spot than "true Rocs"?
I don't have a Roc+ to look at, but as I recall at the time that they came out the tooling was different.
Dude has plenty of Rocs and Roc variants to look at and check that, though.
Sydex
Eagle Member
I'll look at them again later and report back. As for champ rocs outside USDGC, there are Luster 30 year San Marino Rocs.
I also found https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39204
The profile photo in that thread looks very similar to these two I have. Not quite as domey, perhaps but almost there. I'm thinking it could be from being in storage though.
I'm not saying that these are extra Japan fundraiser discs but MF Rocs aren't out of the realm of possibility it seems.
I'll try to make a post tonight answering all y'all's inquiries. If not, expect it this week.
I also found https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39204
The profile photo in that thread looks very similar to these two I have. Not quite as domey, perhaps but almost there. I'm thinking it could be from being in storage though.
I'm not saying that these are extra Japan fundraiser discs but MF Rocs aren't out of the realm of possibility it seems.
I'll try to make a post tonight answering all y'all's inquiries. If not, expect it this week.
The Tsunami relief Metal Flake Rocs were Roc+'s, though.
Sydex
Eagle Member
I mentioned I'm not saying that that is what these are. Just that a Metal Flake Roc (as opposed to a MF Roc3) is not out of the realm of possibility.
My inclination is that these are not Roc+'s. That is because on all my Roc+ I can clearly see my name and number on the rim and the non + molds it's a little bit more difficult. These are a little more difficult to see my name and number.
It is out of the realm of possibility, IMO.
dysmike
Double Eagle Member
I can compare when I get home, if you all haven't sussed it out by then.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Taken from alexplz's post in the Roc3 thread. Sexton throws a Roc3 that looks kind of familiar...
https://youtu.be/o256fdQNf2U?t=22m58s
https://youtu.be/o256fdQNf2U?t=22m58s
Sydex
Eagle Member
Okay, underside of the disc.
Top:
Innova Champion Discs, INC. www.innovadiscs.com
(All on one line)
Bottom:
Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730
I have R-pro Roc+s with the same markings and other R-pro Roc+s with patent#. I also have an R-pro roc+ stammped disc that doesn't have a plussy rim. As well as R-pro rocs with 4/4/0/2, 4/4/0/3, and 4/5/0/2 (my not plussy plus mold Roc also has patent#)
I'll have to take out more of my rocs to see if I have any Rocs with the Rancho markings on the bottom.
Currently, I'm now thinking these are similar to my not plussy Roc+ r-pro.
Top:
Innova Champion Discs, INC. www.innovadiscs.com
(All on one line)
Bottom:
Rancho Cucamonga, California, 91730
I have R-pro Roc+s with the same markings and other R-pro Roc+s with patent#. I also have an R-pro roc+ stammped disc that doesn't have a plussy rim. As well as R-pro rocs with 4/4/0/2, 4/4/0/3, and 4/5/0/2 (my not plussy plus mold Roc also has patent#)
I'll have to take out more of my rocs to see if I have any Rocs with the Rancho markings on the bottom.
Currently, I'm now thinking these are similar to my not plussy Roc+ r-pro.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
No patent numbers? Probably a Roc3.
Sydex
Eagle Member
It's nothing like my Roc3s though and I have R-pros that have the exact same bottom markings.
My guess is it's a not so plussy Roc+
Yeah, Roc3 would be my guess as well.
That's cool; you have the disc and stuff to compare it to so that would be a better guess than what I can make. Truth be told, the rims on the Roc+ never bothered me that much. They just were not as stable as I would have liked. The ones I threw were R Pro, though. Champ might beef them up.
Sydex
Eagle Member
So I'll try to post more photos, maybe pick up a MF Roc3, but handling these, there is no way they're Roc3s. They have more in common with my Roc+ which have identical bottom markings.
Is there anything I can find and use to determine between the plus and roc3?
Sydex
Eagle Member
I like the glide, it fits what I use them for. Curious to see about these, my Other champ is just all glide and a little fade at the end.
Sydex
Eagle Member
And so begins my Roc collecting days. Ordered two MF Rocs and two San Marino Star. Guess I gotta look for an Ontario now and get a Classic Roc.
thirtydirtybirds
Double Eagle Member
Classic roc is not a ROC. It's a totally different mold, size, shape, and a putter.
