I got two Pink 176g Lucid Escapes over the weekend at the Texas State Amateur Championships. First thing I noticed is even though Emac insists they dont look like a Zone, they totally do only with a Microbead and larger diameter. I immediatley took them out and started to test them. They are stable and great driving putters, but they arent as stable as a Zone, Drone or Gator. But what they are is very similar to a faster Rhyno. The Rhyno has very little glide but this puppy has tons and is almost mid fast. In a dead head wind 15+ they are dead straight, where as a Zone would still finish left. Once you realize this and make the adjustment they become a great disc. I was able to flip one in about 25+ head wind but it just stalled and died no dumping and rolling. This is a great utility disc and has made it into my bag.