Tournament Profits

[_MTL_]

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I'd be interested in hearing how you think there's more of an entitlement mentality in the am side of the sport than in the pros where it's expected that money will be taken from the am side of the tournament and TDs will spend volunteer time drumming up sponsorship money to pay them to play a game.

Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time.

 

[Dave242]

Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time. Mashnut is correct. You are wrong.....and you of all people know much better than to be this wrong and a simple concept.

Pro's expect there to be the payout at the minimum at the levels the PDGA specifies. The payout percentages are higher on the Pro side.....and the cost to the TD to accomplish this on the Pro side is higher.

Where does that money come from? It either comes from volunteers beating the bushes for donations from sponsors, or the club/TD sponsors it.

And, the club/TD makes money off of the wholesale/retail markup on the Am side. That is their money to do with as they please.....and usually/often they use it to cover tournament expenses so they can meet the expectations of the PDGA and the tournament participants.

Above and beyond playing for other competitors' cash, what do Pro's do to earn the money they make? What services do they render to the tournament that deserves compensation?

 

[Dave242]

Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time. Mashnut is correct. You are wrong.....and you of all people know much better than to be this wrong and a simple concept.

After reading Mashnut's statement again more closely, I have to apologize to you MTL since he was not accurate. He should have said:

it's expected that money will be taken from the am side of the tournament and/or TDs will spend volunteer time drumming up sponsorship money

 

[_MTL_]

NO!!!

There is NOT an expectation to take money from ams and put it to pros!!

That is LAUGHABLE!!!

I have some of the best payouts in NC and I don't take money from ams and apply to pros EVER!! I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

I've NEVER seen an event where part of am entry went to pros. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. And I've played in and ran more tournaments that almost everyone on this board.

 

[_MTL_]

Answer me one question regarding added cash.

How can someone / a club argue about meeting the minimum cash standards when they choose which tier to make their event AND one of the choices is no added cash?!?!?!?

It blows my mind how DUMB people are.

 

[jeverett]

NO!!!

There is NOT an expectation to take money from ams and put it to pros!!

That is LAUGHABLE!!!

I have some of the best payouts in NC and I don't take money from ams and apply to pros EVER!! I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

I've NEVER seen an event where part of am entry went to pros. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. And I've played in and ran more tournaments that almost everyone on this board.

MTL,

You're making a semantic argument here. Equate money and time, and track its flow across the whole event. Could you operate the events that you do if you were forced to list AM scrip/players pack/merchandise value at wholesale? If yes, I can agree with your statement.

 

[_MTL_]

MTL,

You're making a semantic argument here. Equate money and time, and track its flow across the whole event. Could you operate the events that you do if you were forced to list AM scrip/players pack/merchandise value at wholesale? If yes, I can agree with your statement.

Absolutely I could.

I have raised $1,300 for my event next weekend that was 100% donations and has nothing to do with profits. That money literally took me about 5 minutes to raise. Heck, $300 of it was given to me and I didn't ask for it. I understand this isn't the norm, but I run a quality event with players from all over and sponsors jump all over it.

Now, would my events have lower payouts? Of course, but it wouldn't affect the tier or the amount of money I added.

 

[_MTL_]

But even so, my player packs have the following:

Dri Fit shirt
Custom stamped Champion Disc.

The shirt costs me about $14 per. The disc costs me about $8 per. The vlaue on those is roughly $40 combined. $22 is the minimum I can remove from entry and $40 is the max. I will take probably around $30.

That's still a heck of a deal and then is added cash of $10 per player in the am field.

Welcome to the basics of how to run a good event. I'll be here forever.

 

[Dave242]

I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

How much money have you personally made and kept by buying discs at wholesale and selling them at a higher price? Do you have a Tax ID? What is the company name?

If you are like the vast vast majority of TDs (and clubs), you are being disingenuous in your statement since you normally do not keep your profits.....you plow that money back into the events you run.

 

[_MTL_]

How much money have you personally made and kept by buying discs at wholesale and selling them at a higher price? Do you have a Tax ID? What is the company name?

If you are like the vast vast majority of TDs (and clubs), you are being disingenuous in your statement since you normally do not keep your profits.....you plow that money back into the events you run.

How is that disingenuous?

People understand what a no profit event means. It means that all profit is applied to payout. And that's not 100% pros, either.

This is literally pissing me off. I don't like my character being questioned especially when it comes to money and events.

Ask ANYONE who has played one of my events and see if they think I'm not honest with money.

 

[Dave242]

I have raised $1,300 for my event next weekend that was 100% donations and has nothing to do with profits. That money literally took me about 5 minutes to raise.

You are running a B Tier. PDGA standards dictate a minimum of $500 cash added to the Pro purse and 100%+ payout to all.

How is what you have done in raising money a contradiction to Mashnut's (modified) statement which you called "one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time"?

it's expected that money will be taken from the am side of the tournament and/or TDs will spend volunteer time drumming up sponsorship money

 

[Dave242]

How is that disingenuous?

People understand what a no profit event means. It means that all profit is applied to payout. And that's not 100% pros, either.

This is literally pissing me off. I don't like my character being questioned especially when it comes to money and events.

Ask ANYONE who has played one of my events and see if they think I'm not honest with money.

....

It blows my mind how DUMB people are.

 

[_MTL_]

He stated that it was EXPECTED to take money from ams to give to pros.

That is 100% bull.

If it was EXPECTED, then how could I meet and exceed the standards apply wholesale figures to am payout?

BECUASE IT'S NOT EXPECTED.

This is crap that makes people hate the PDGA. You have a mod on here spouting ignorant crap and people go "oh look a mod, he knows for sure!!"

He's 100% wrong. Literally as incorrect as it gets.

 

[_MTL_]

So no you are calling me dumb? It's cool. I'll keep running events with 100 players and making people from all over the southeast come to my event.

Last year I had 10 states and 3 countries. Ok, worlds was here.

This year, I have 6 states repped. Not for a B Tier. Must be doing something right. Not bad for a non trust worthy dumb person, huh?

 

[Dave242]

How is that disingenuous?

People understand what a no profit event means. It means that all profit is applied to payout.

It is disingenuous since you, like everyone else, runs no profit events.....and your are claiming that you normally keep those profits:

I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

If not disingenuous, you have certainly contradicted yourself.

 

[Dave242]

He stated that it was EXPECTED to take money from ams to give to pros.

That is 100% bull.
.....
He's 100% wrong. Literally as incorrect as it gets.

Except that he did not say what you are saying he said. He said "from the am side of the tournament".....the wholesale/retail profits come from the Am side, not the Pro side.

This is crap that makes people hate the PDGA. You have a mod on here spouting ignorant crap and people go "oh look a mod, he knows for sure!!"

I am wondering what the effect of an elected PDGA official making posts like yours has on the loveability of the PDGA

 

[_MTL_]

If not disingenuous, you have certainly contradicted yourself.

If anything, it's a misnomer.

But I advertise "no profits - all profits are added to the event"

So I don't know of a better way of saying it.

and my charity event I advertise "all profits are donated to charity"

 

[_MTL_]

I am wondering what the effect of an elected PDGA official making posts like yours has on the loveability of the PDGA

I hope it comes across as someone who is passionate and trying to defeat incorrect statements.

 

[_MTL_]

If it was EXPECTED, then how could I meet and exceed the standards apply wholesale figures to am payout?

BECUASE IT'S NOT EXPECTED.

I love that of all the things you have quoted, this doesn't.

 

[Dave242]

I love that of all the things you have quoted, this doesn't.

I can make no sense of this, but the reason I snipped out that part is because I have no clue what you mean.