2017 Aussie Open DGWT Event Discussion

[ranger]

I would love to see a simplified hole graphic below the hole #, par, meters to help in visualizing the shot. Even with the drone flyover, you can sometimes get lost about what shot they are going for. Also elevation change would be great if it was measured (an educated estimate works just as well).

Rickys flick putter should be a Harp. The stable midrange an Anchor. I know (assume) this only from watching videos and following chatter, I am not a Lta64 fanatic. (i.e. if I know this, it should not be impossible for a caster to know it. however, its all just icing on a perfectly good cake)

Agreed

The drone wasn't really helping me picture the hole.

 

[nate22]

The elevation changes appeared in the caddy book...so they had the info

 

[PocketSand]

...obviously the goal was to get something out as quick as possible

Hahahahahahahahaha good one

 

[armiller]

Just a couple things:
1) I like how CCDG has done the drone starting at the basket and going back to the tee. Helps me see the lines.
2) One thing about this tourney is that the 4 best golfers were being filmed basically all 4 days. It was top notch golf, and that accounts for a lot of the production quality. Catching Ricky's -17 and Eagle's -16 was pretty great.
3) Jamie and Ian will be interesting. My expectations will remain low until I see it. But I think just them 2 isn't optimal. Isn't it the NBA that has the 3 person on-air team? I forget the guys, but it's straight-up traditional commentator, then Jeff Van Grundy (ex-coach, providing color commentary and analysis), and an ex NBA player. Maybe they're probably already thinking about this, but having a third (player or other disc golf "insider") might have more potential? Of course, that would need more coaching, preparation, and logistics.
4) Watch a video of Matt Bell narrated by Ian, if you think he only names Innova molds.

 

[slowplastic]

I thought the pacing of these videos was fantastic. Really good timing in general where it was fast enough that I wasn't fast forwarding the putts on the holes (these guys don't miss inside the circle really...), but enough time for each shot that it respected the players and situations. Angles and pacing are #1 for me with watching rounds (other than players) and this was fantastic in quality.

I loved watching all the rounds and managed to avoid spoilers and be surprised by what happened. I agree with the comments about having a player not in the card doing commentary usually, of course depending on the player and the round (Sexton is great at it, and some players after a very hot round are often in good spirits for it). But I really liked having a variety of players in the different videos, and Ricky did a pretty good job too although I was surprised he didn't mention his molds.

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[Flick Maniac]

I thought the pacing of these videos was fantastic.

I agree. Especially narrated vidoe needs to have some down time to fit talk in. But even non-narrated ones sometimes can be cut too tight, so that you have shot after shot after shot with no time to really appreciate the big moments or see reactions. Marty comes to mind, although I havent watched his videos in a long while.

I used to spend all my free time making videos before the mutlitudes of "haters" just made me realize it wasn't worth it. Luckily you keep chugging on...keep it up as SpinTVs videos get a little better each time!

Why care what the haters say. Ignoring is so easy. Take the constructive criticism, ignore the non constructive ones and plain just delete inappropriate comments. I guarantee for every vocal hater there are tens of satisfied but mute viewers.

Thanks for making a dreary winter day more exciting.

Exactly. Everyone was "major this or major that, all the way out in down under, not all the best players are there blah blah blah" and then we get to watch THE best 2 right now to tear up the course. How would this January been better without the Aussie Open, with everyone just waiting around for the Memorial?

 

[bobmcnelly]

4) Watch a video of Matt Bell narrated by Ian, if you think he only names Innova molds.

Totally. Or a number of other players Ian knows well. Drew Gibson, Patrick Brown, or Shasta Criss. Hell, I never heard of half of DGA's mold until I watched Shasta on CCDG.

 

[DinosaurThunder]

I happen to film Paul a lot, and he's smart so he tells me that info. If I hit him up on FB after he'll get back to me quickly, because he's smart and he gets it. Paul bombs disc --> Ian says what it is --> fans buy that disc. It's not rocket science, and yet SOOOO many pros just ignore our messages asking for that info. I'd like to see disc manufacturers mandate their players provide that info to the film crews. I always call out Ricky's discs when I know what they are, but I'm just not as familiar. Same for literally every pro. If I know what it is, I'll let you know. If you're left hanging, I probably was too.

RE the fun videos we shoot with Paul and the Innova gang. Paul actually deserves most of the credit for those, not Innova (from my point of view anyway), and that's not to say anything negative about Innova (they do SOO much for the sport), but just so you guys can appreciate Paul more. Battle of the Eras was his and Nate's idea. Same with Starter Pack Challenge. I may have come up with Champ vs Chumps, but it wouldn't exist without Paul and Nate. He just gets it, and nails what IT is. Underrated businessman right there.

Thank you for the great insight as always, Ian! :clap::hfive:

 

[Streets]

I happen to film Paul a lot, and he's smart so he tells me that info. If I hit him up on FB after he'll get back to me quickly, because he's smart and he gets it. Paul bombs disc --> Ian says what it is --> fans buy that disc.

Lol this is so true. Look at all the DGCR tizzy when Eagle mentioned Paul sidearmed the Shryke. Blood in the water.

 

[_dj_]

Ricky did a pretty good job too although I was surprised he didn't mention his molds.

This.

"What are you throwing here, Ricky?"
"A fairway driver." :wall:

 

[lyleoross]

Honestly, I don't see how Jamie Ian works? Jamie is a talk about the play guy. Ian is an ask poinient questions of a pro or TD guy, with commentary on good plays. I don't see that combo as a great outcome. I only see it happening because of the relationship to Innova.

Jamie's color guys have to work in around his play by play. That doesn't work with Ian, as we've seen him in the past.

You can do an open format discussion, but play by play with color doesn't work well. Ian is informed enough to do some color, but it doesn't fit his style.

This feels too much like a Spin TV recognition that Ian is liked, let's get him with one of our guys. I'd think very carefully about what I wanted to accomplish, and what each commentator's role is gonna be before I did anything.

Jamie's style has improved continually. He's more bombastic than I like, but that's on me. It's very accepted in sports broadcasting. My concern isn't about Jamie, just an incompatible pairing.

 

[lyleoross]

This.

"What are you throwing here, Ricky?"
"A fairway driver." :wall:

That isn't on Ricky. The host needs to ask or set that up in advance. Check out Ian's comments about how he asks offline.

 

[slowplastic]

That isn't on Ricky. The host needs to ask or set that up in advance. Check out Ian's comments about how he asks offline.

That is on Ricky. When he's asked during commentary "what's your play here?" and he says "midrange" or "just a fairway" instead of maybe his sig Compass or a Saint Pro (I'm guessing because he didn't tell us)...totally his missed opportunity to plug his molds without just blurting it out. But he is improving on the mic and he played beyond fantastic.

 

[brutalbrutus]

Thx Spin for not using the winner for the final round commentary...

 

[sandman16]

That is on Ricky. When he's asked during commentary "what's your play here?" and he says "midrange" or "just a fairway" instead of maybe his sig Compass or a Saint Pro (I'm guessing because he didn't tell us)...totally his missed opportunity to plug his molds without just blurting it out. But he is improving on the mic and he played beyond fantastic.

Maybe spinTV tells them not to mention the molds?

 

[Streets]

Maybe spinTV tells them not to mention the molds?

Barsby mentioned specifically a couple of molds Ricky threw during his commentary.

 

[Lazerface]

Maybe spinTV tells them not to mention the molds?

Not the case at all and it was clarified earlier in the thread. Ricky should have been probed more for sure, but he was not told he could not mention the molds being thrown.

 

[DanJon]

Maybe he just doesn't remember or know the names of the discs?

 

[lyleoross]

It's on Ricky in the sense that he should be thinking about the issue of the discs he's throwing and his job as the face of Latitude. However, Ricky is a pretty subdued guy. If you invite him to comment, and you ask him what he's throwing and you get a bland answer, you've not done your job if you don't follow up, IMO.

If Ricky throws several mids, and he's not focusing, he might not know what he threw. By preparing him before the gig you give him time to think through his shots and you create a situation where he and you can get a better outcome. Again, Ian does something like this and voila, you get the information.

And yes, it is on the host to prepare for the presentation. All successful hosts I've watched do that. They meet with their guests in advance and develop the interview prior to filming. The job of the host is to entertain. Prepreparation with or at least for your guest is part of that.

Again let's acknowledge that Paul is superlative in these things. As a host, assuming that every guy you interview will be like Paul might be a mistake. You want to help the co-host succeed. By doing that, you make them want to come back, and your audience too. I wonder if that's why so many people like CCDG?