850? bring him to the desert during a 80mph wind distance comp, and toss a 120 putter up there... ****, he might even beat the current distance record overall... they might find it a couple states over with the dust storm settling..
Should we lower the rim width/speed regulations for distance drivers?
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850? bring him to the desert during a 80mph wind distance comp, and toss a 120 putter up there... ****, he might even beat the current distance record overall... they might find it a couple states over with the dust storm settling..
Casey 1988
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Yeah it was more when the Destroyer came out and the Surge that this disc war was getting out of hand. I thought that PDGA would stop it and call that no more then a Destroyer width would be the limit but it is a few more millimeters then that for discs Rim width, the Aerobie Epic helped make that happen for discs made after that mold.
No they didn't lol, unless a lot of people is dunipace who led the revolution.
I'm going to disagree with you on two points for the same reason. I'm guessing flying disc designers have innovated about all that can be innovated in terms of physics and aerodynamics. They can only tinker here and there with materials and manufacturing processes but the basic principles are established. It's the same as firearms. The Founders absolutely understood where the 2A would go, they had already seen tremendous firearms innovation in their lives already. Guns had been around 100s of years before them and again, the basic principles were established. It's just ballistics. Gunpowder sends projectile down a barrel. The guns we have today aren't technologically all that amazing compared to 1800s. It's just tinkering to increase accuracy and rate of fire. The Founders (Enlightenment thinkers, some of them scientists and inventors) would have to be absolute morons to not expect guns to become more accurate and improved fire rate. They already had breech-loaders, repeaters, and guns that carried multiple rounds at the time of 2A's writing, it's just that the commoners carried muzzleloaders b/c of affordability and production. Commoners also had pistols, shotguns, grenade launchers, swivel guns and cannons. If the 2A was interpreted the way the Founders intended, we'd still be allowed grenade launchers as well as private warships. Private warship > AR-15.
Here's an example of firearm tech they've had since the 1300s:
Again, it's just basic ballistics. Send multiple projectiles as far and as accurately as you can via cartridge and mechanical action tinkering. With discs, there's much less room for innovation due to a lack of moving parts.
I think the OP is trying to fix something that is not broken. But, there are plenty of courses to test and accommodate the big arms of the pro tour. With the struggles of golf courses, we have seen the progression to disc golf tournaments to this kind of venue. Perfect solution, IMO. Boring to watch, I can't image much fun to play. Of course, I can't imagine throwing that far.
Oddly many argue for the inclusion of "better baskets", that would be counter productive to the issue the OP is prompting discussion of. Essentially decreasing the difficulty, for the putting style of most pros.
Oddly many argue for the inclusion of "better baskets", that would be counter productive to the issue the OP is prompting discussion of. Essentially decreasing the difficulty, for the putting style of most pros.
MarkDSM
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perfect world unspoiled world i agree with teebird being the limit. my play would be just as fun for sure.
as it is, the big rims are bigger than many hands can really handle making entire categories of equipment not as accessible.
as it is, the big rims are bigger than many hands can really handle making entire categories of equipment not as accessible.
Fastest thing in my bag is a PD. My distance sucks and even I don't want to take away existing wide rim drivers. It would be an enforcement nightmare at tournaments.
Just checked the PDGA approved discs PDF file. Innova alone has 28 discs with at least a rim thickness of 2.0cm. That would mean losing a lot of their drivers if you set a 1.9cm limit. If you set it at Teebird thickness (1.7cm), the number of banned molds grows to like 40.
So yeah, not going to happen.
So yeah, not going to happen.
Where exactly is this happening? I mean, can you cite an example? Otherwise it just comes off as a textbook ideological rant about a problem that doesn't exist to promote said ideology.
Not to mention the fact that a hundred thousand disc golfers own a million of those discs already, and aren't clamoring to be forced to shelve them.
krupicka
Double Eagle Member
FWIW Dave Dunipace had pushed for a smaller limit to the rim width about 10 years ago. The PDGA opted for a wider limit.
Twmccoy
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It almost sounds like people are indicating here that wide rimmed drivers instantly provide 100' more distance over stuff like Teebirds and Eagles. I think that's only true for the hardest throwers. The great majority of DG'ers aren't going to see any benefit to throwing something like a Destroyer over a Valkyrie or Teebird.
Someone like Ricky Wysocki will throw a Boss 100' (or more) further than a Teebird. That's perfectly fine. The way I look at it, he has earned that distance. Only at the pro level are some courses being obsoleted. That said, most pro events are set up on temporary courses with made up holes to increase the difficulty.
I for one don't think that wide rimmed drivers detract from the overall game. They do provide more distance than Teebirds, but you need skill and good arm speed to harness that distance. I think DG would be kind of boring if if drivers capped out at speed 7.
Just for argument's sake, I think some company should produce a (non PDGA legal) driver with a 3 CM rim and see if it blows the current 2.5 CM standard out of the water.
I think 2.5 is wide enough for sanctioned discs.
Someone like Ricky Wysocki will throw a Boss 100' (or more) further than a Teebird. That's perfectly fine. The way I look at it, he has earned that distance. Only at the pro level are some courses being obsoleted. That said, most pro events are set up on temporary courses with made up holes to increase the difficulty.
I for one don't think that wide rimmed drivers detract from the overall game. They do provide more distance than Teebirds, but you need skill and good arm speed to harness that distance. I think DG would be kind of boring if if drivers capped out at speed 7.
Just for argument's sake, I think some company should produce a (non PDGA legal) driver with a 3 CM rim and see if it blows the current 2.5 CM standard out of the water.
I think 2.5 is wide enough for sanctioned discs.
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Well, you know how disc golfers love to acquire more plastic....
Good thing we have both then, because both styles are really fun.
More tournaments are going to ball golf style courses. That's where viewership is at, and money. I want DG to grow, but the last thing I want is it to be just like ball golf.
I don't believe the bolded is true. At least not in a way that signals some sort of seismic shift of the whole game.
The NT over the last three years has featured just three events played on a ball golf venue (at least in part): Vegas, Glass Blown Open, Masters Cup. All other NT events in that time are played entirely on "traditional" disc golf venues (parks or dedicated properties): Beaver State, Pittsburgh, Hall of Fame Classic, Delaware. Same for Worlds. Not since 2016 in Emporia has Worlds seen a ball golf venue.
On the DGPT side, there are even fewer ball golf venues. In fact, only San Francisco, Utah, and the Final have utilized a disc golf course on a ball golf course. Every other DGPT event has been or will be on a "traditional" disc golf course in a park or on dedicated/private property: WACO, Jonesboro, Portland Open, Ledgestone, Idlewild, DGLO, Maple Hill, Green Mountain Championship.
I think it just feels like ball golf venues are becoming more prevalent because they are rather heavily concentrated in the first part of the season. I could be mistaken, but I think other than the DGPT finals for which a venue hasn't been announced, there are no more ball golf venues on the 2019 elite tour (NT, Majors, DGPT).
I think the Santa Cruz tournament coming up has a ball course as well.
That's Masters Cup.
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