The Inevitable 2022 Pros Switching Sponsors Thread

[ru4por]

I have always found it weird (honestly a bit creepy) that people identify with pro golfers (celebrities in general) this closely. Acting as if they are somehow different than any of us, outside a tiny physical ability. This odd obsession, seems to lead to many feeling comfortable, attributing personality, values, judgements to these folks, based of some version they create in their heads. It just makes me uncomfortable when reading this stuff.

If you want to idolize someone, look to people that have earned it. Teachers, doctors, nurses, servicemen and women...

Just an observation. Thanks for listening.

 

[foxdawg10]

Joel always wears the outfit to look for! I like watching players with an 'open to the public' mental game. Dickerson or Conrad can miss a few putts and nobody even knows. Not so with Joel, Ricky, KJ, even Paul.

Don't forget Eagle, lol. His running commentary is always good entertainment.

 

[DatRedDude]

I have always found it weird (honestly a bit creepy) that people identify with pro golfers (celebrities in general) this closely. Acting as if they are somehow different than any of us, outside a tiny physical ability. This odd obsession, seems to lead to many feeling comfortable, attributing personality, values, judgements to these folks, based of some version they create in their heads. It just makes me uncomfortable when reading this stuff.

If you want to idolize someone, look to people that have earned it. Teachers, doctors, nurses, servicemen and women...

Just an observation. Thanks for listening.

while i don't get caught up with the celebrity thing nor do i geek out to people who play sports at an elite level, not sure anyone in this thread has used the words idolize.


i agree with what you are saying though.

 

[autocrosscrx]

I have always found it weird (honestly a bit creepy) that people identify with pro golfers (celebrities in general) this closely. Acting as if they are somehow different than any of us, outside a tiny physical ability. This odd obsession, seems to lead to many feeling comfortable, attributing personality, values, judgements to these folks, based of some version they create in their heads. It just makes me uncomfortable when reading this stuff.

If you want to idolize someone, look to people that have earned it. Teachers, doctors, nurses, servicemen and women...

Just an observation. Thanks for listening.

I always found it weird that people will go to a forum dedicated to discussing a certain topic and repeatedly make this kind of statement.

I go to college football forums and there is always that guy that always says it is weird and creepy to idolize high school boys. Bro, you are on on recruiting subforum.

Or you go to a pro football forum and somebody says, "Titans need to pay Harold Landry next year." And there is always the one person that is like, "No, we need to pay teachers. It is creepy that you guys are so obsessed with athletes."

Same with racing forums, bowling forums, whatever.

 

[Nova P]

I have always found it weird (honestly a bit creepy) that people identify with pro golfers (celebrities in general) this closely. Acting as if they are somehow different than any of us, outside a tiny physical ability. This odd obsession, seems to lead to many feeling comfortable, attributing personality, values, judgements to these folks, based of some version they create in their heads. It just makes me uncomfortable when reading this stuff.

It's social media. People follow a disc golfer and form what's called a "parasocial relationship" with them. It feels like they know the player, but really they just know the image of the golfer from seeing them on YouTube, Insta, Twitter, FB, and so on, and it's only one-way. The player does not know the fan at all.

It's pretty weird when someone who I do not know just walks right up to me and starts talking to me like we're old friends, and they are picking up a conversation from just a few minutes ago.

I've talked to some other players who have encountered this as well. It's one of those things that has to be understood and managed. It used to just be movie and TV stars who dealt with this, but now that anyone can be "famous" (or D-tier famous. . . ) on the various social media channels, it's coming to more people.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

 

[klodkrawler05]

It's social media. People follow a disc golfer and form what's called a "parasocial relationship" with them. It feels like they know the player, but really they just know the image of the golfer from seeing them on YouTube, Insta, Twitter, FB, and so on, and it's only one-way. The player does not know the fan at all.

It's pretty weird when someone who I do not know just walks right up to me and starts talking to me like we're old friends, and they are picking up a conversation from just a few minutes ago.

I've talked to some other players who have encountered this as well. It's one of those things that has to be understood and managed. It used to just be movie and TV stars who dealt with this, but now that anyone can be "famous" (or D-tier famous. . . ) on the various social media channels, it's coming to more people.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

It's a very real and very weird/disconcerting thing the first few times it happens. Several years ago a pretty popular youtube channel did a video about my racecar/team. Shortly after that happened I'd be at the racetrack working on my car or waiting for a race and someone would walk up and just strike up a conversation as if we were good friends, asking if I'd come up with a solution to so and so yet or how I was feeling after that last race etc. I'm generally fairly bad at recognizing faces and putting names to them anyway so I'd have to do some sort of line like "sorry but I cannot place your name" and they'd be like "oh no worries we've never met before"

Eventually it became a joke after people walked away my wife would go "was that one of your friends or was that another youtube follower"

whether your youtube famous or not everyone still puts their underwear on 1 leg at a time

 

[autocrosscrx]

It's social media. People follow a disc golfer and form what's called a "parasocial relationship" with them. It feels like they know the player, but really they just know the image of the golfer from seeing them on YouTube, Insta, Twitter, FB, and so on, and it's only one-way. The player does not know the fan at all.

It's pretty weird when someone who I do not know just walks right up to me and starts talking to me like we're old friends, and they are picking up a conversation from just a few minutes ago.

I've talked to some other players who have encountered this as well. It's one of those things that has to be understood and managed. It used to just be movie and TV stars who dealt with this, but now that anyone can be "famous" (or D-tier famous. . . ) on the various social media channels, it's coming to more people.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

I think you can get a bit of it as a normal person (ie not someone that might be performing for the public).

I do car stuff. Someone that I might know casually from car stuff friend requests me on Facebook. I accept them. I post stories and takes that I think people might enjoy. I don't post about work, I don't post about personal relationships, I don't post about goals and accomplishments, etc, etc. Or at least in ways that other people post. People enjoy my posts, but some people define me by what I put out there. Which leads to a lot of people misunderstanding me and sometimes leads to people coming up to me at these car events and saying some things to me or making jokes that are out of line.

I learned to be selective about only accepting friend requests from people that I know personally and also unfriended a lot of people that I don't know. But you can't undo everything that has been done.

 

[foxdawg10]

I think you can get a bit of it as a normal person (ie not someone that might be performing for the public).

I do car stuff. Someone that I might know casually from car stuff friend requests me on Facebook. I accept them. I post stories and takes that I think people might enjoy. I don't post about work, I don't post about personal relationships, I don't post about goals and accomplishments, etc, etc. Or at least in ways that other people post. People enjoy my posts, but some people define me by what I put out there. Which leads to a lot of people misunderstanding me and sometimes leads to people coming up to me at these car events and saying some things to me or making jokes that are out of line.

I learned to be selective about only accepting friend requests from people that I know personally and also unfriended a lot of people that I don't know. But you can't undo everything that has been done.

I'm not famous by any definition of the word, but I have had an acquaintance ask me very personal questions and try to give personal advice in the middle of a disc golf round based on a Facebook post I made months ago. It was weird to say the least. And then he acted like I was out of line by telling him politely I didn't wish to discuss personal things right now I couldn't imagine this on a larger scale.

 

[seedlings]

Landfill ready.

Back on topic, is there any citable source that Freeman is leaving Innova?

 

[Nova P]

I do car stuff. Someone that I might know casually from car stuff friend requests me on Facebook. I accept them. I post stories and takes that I think people might enjoy. I don't post about work, I don't post about personal relationships, I don't post about goals and accomplishments, etc, etc. Or at least in ways that other people post. People enjoy my posts, but some people define me by what I put out there. Which leads to a lot of people misunderstanding me and sometimes leads to people coming up to me at these car events and saying some things to me or making jokes that are out of line.

I learned to be selective about only accepting friend requests from people that I know personally and also unfriended a lot of people that I don't know. But you can't undo everything that has been done.

Oh for sure. Early on I segregated my disc golf shenanigans onto a Facebook athlete page, where I put all of my disc-golf-related social whatever. That page is directed towards that one activity, and I'm careful to keep it as work-friendly as possible.

My personal FB account (where I post what I really think. . .) is as locked-down and as private as I can make it, with just 19 people on my friends list. I never, ever accept friend requests from people who I do not know intimately, and I direct them to like and follow the disc golf athlete page.

 

[foxdawg10]

Landfill ready.

Back on topic, is there any citable source that Freeman is leaving Innova?

You can always simply ignore parts of the conversation you aren't interested in. Just saying.

 

[hanger129]

So the two biggest rumors I've seen this offseason are Calvin to DD and Ricky to DD. Does anyone else think that if Ricky ends up signing with DD there's no way they'll have enough money to sign Calvin too, or vice versa? I'd have to think Ricky is the more desirable pick between the two.

And then given the rumors of Calvin being unhappy (possible stretch/hyperbole) with Innova, I wonder if he'd still land somewhere else or if he would just stick out his current contract. My hunch is the latter.

Then imagine the scenario if they actually did sign both. I can't imagine Ricky would settle for anything less than a McBeth-level contract ($1mil / year) and I imagine Calvin would be seeking a sizeable contract as well, though he has less negotiating power for a contract the size of McBeth's. I wonder what it's gonna take to sign him.

It'd be a huge year for DD if they managed to land both players.

 

[jmdaire27]

With DD apparently downsizing, I can see them landing maybe one or the other. But matching the McBeth deal? Don't think that'll happen. McBeths name alone can move product and make money. I don't think the same can be said of Calvin or Ricky. Regardless, I think they will earn an appreciable amount. I'd be stoked to see one or the other or both move to DD. Clemons can only do so much on his own.

 

[bobmcnelly]

Landfill ready.

Back on topic, is there any citable source that Freeman is leaving Innova?

Nope, just me not doing my research before making a post.

 

[ray1970]

So the two biggest rumors I've seen this offseason are Calvin to DD and Ricky to DD. Does anyone else think that if Ricky ends up signing with DD there's no way they'll have enough money to sign Calvin too, or vice versa? I'd have to think Ricky is the more desirable pick between the two.

If I was going to sign one or the other to a multi year deal, I think there's more potential going forward with Calvin. Not that Ricky doesn't have a lot of game left in him but I think the potential for Calvin to pull off some big wins and maybe even snatch a Worlds or USDG win over the next several years has more promise.

With the world the way it is these days when it comes to social media presence, neither player has overwhelming personality or much content. I know Ricky is doing some stuff with his Sockibomb channel but if we're being honest his content typically isn't very exciting or well done.

 

[dehaas]

Last off season there were the rumors of Calvin and DD. No idea what the grumblings are/were with him and Innova, but has anybody considered he might be wanting a deal that doesn't require him being on the road all the time?

I say that because he's got his chem e degree. Last couple years we've seen some fairly large purses more consistently, and player contracts have gotten bigger and longer, so that may change things a bit. Dude is young and super talented, I think he could establish himself in his career field and still play enough events to be a major threat at worlds, USDGC, and whatnot.

He's got the sarcastic sense of humor, which personally I find funny. He's an absolute trash talk savage on the otb skins videos. You don't see him out there doing a ton of self promotion like a lot of other pros, almost like he's out there because he's good and likes to play…aka not trying to make himself a brand like everybody else.

 

[uncle pennybags]

Maybe Calvin could go to Gateway?!? Make use of the degree to make reproducible plastic formulas rather than have the mad wizard just mixing vials at random!

 

[autocrosscrx]

He's got the sarcastic sense of humor, which personally I find funny. He's an absolute trash talk savage on the otb skins videos. You don't see him out there doing a ton of self promotion like a lot of other pros, almost like he's out there because he's good and likes to play…aka not trying to make himself a brand like everybody else.

At this point, I think he has built a brand out of being the not build a brand guy.

 

[jakebake91]

At this point, I think he has built a brand out of being the not build a brand guy.

I agree. And I far prefer his personality to someone like Rick. Take the skins matches for example. Calvin is hilarious without really even trying to be. Rick seems more like a highschool kid trying too hard to fit in with the cool kids, and failing. I can't stand him on the skins matches.

 

[foxdawg10]

Last off season there were the rumors of Calvin and DD. No idea what the grumblings are/were with him and Innova, but has anybody considered he might be wanting a deal that doesn't require him being on the road all the time?

I say that because he's got his chem e degree. Last couple years we've seen some fairly large purses more consistently, and player contracts have gotten bigger and longer, so that may change things a bit. Dude is young and super talented, I think he could establish himself in his career field and still play enough events to be a major threat at worlds, USDGC, and whatnot.

He's got the sarcastic sense of humor, which personally I find funny. He's an absolute trash talk savage on the otb skins videos. You don't see him out there doing a ton of self promotion like a lot of other pros, almost like he's out there because he's good and likes to play…aka not trying to make himself a brand like everybody else.

Imo, it would be difficult to swing a career and also be a top 4 professional disc golfer in this era. The demands for each profession are too great to be at the top of both concurrently.