krupicka
Double Eagle Member
Those are the 3 big issues.
The big issue is that people learn the rules by word-of-mouth rather than actually reading them.
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Those are the 3 big issues.
BTW: I've talked to players about the new mando rule and the fact that it is effective from both directions (tee to target and target to tee)....some basically called me a liar, but the majority said I had it wrong....it's only from the tee to the target. I discussed the explanations that have been on this thread and we've come to the realization that this is a rule that is going to be enforced different ways.
1. People aren't aware it is omni directional
2. People aren't aware the rule now applies to the disc during its throw and not just where it comes to rest.
3. People aren't aware that if ANY part of the throw (reachback/backswing/etc) causes the disc to fully enter the restricted area it is a violation of the rule.
Those are the 3 big issues.
Here's a sadistic hole design when following the 2022 rules. You can "make" each mando and still risk "missing it" on the back side with your next throw. Imagine play if there were no marked Drop Zones (DZ)! You can say no designer would do this but it's no worse potential punishment than using OB rope to make things difficult. The Missed Mando Line for Mando 2 works just like an OB line on the edge of a green.
You're right. Let's eliminate DZ 2 so you had to rethrow from previous lie. Sadistically better now?the line on that would be miss the second mando and go to DZ2. It's not sadistic, it's bad.
Here's a sadistic hole design when following the 2022 rules. You can "make" each mando and still risk "missing it" on the back side with your next throw. Imagine play if there were no marked Drop Zones (DZ)! You can say no designer would do this but it's no worse potential punishment than using OB rope to make things difficult. The Missed Mando Line for Mando 2 works just like an OB line on the edge of a green.
I play a similar hole with a mando used to keep people from throwing over the road. It's a single mando and the plane is perpendicular to the flight path. With regard to your sketch, if I were playing the hole, unless explicitly shown otherwise, I would assume that the mando planes are perpendicular to the flight path as marked by the redlines I added to your sketch. In my view, the brown line/disc path would not have entered a restricted space.
You're right. Let's eliminate DZ 2 so you had to rethrow from previous lie. Sadistically better now?
The tee sign says the mando is between the poles. But we still have people who ignore tee signs and throw wherever they want....mainly in casual play - but that's a different matter.
It is always to the basket target. There are many instances where players did not understand when and when not to apply the old rule with respect to the LOP. The hope is there are less ways for a player to screw it up now.
Should a TD always mark a line to help define the restricted space?
If such a line is not in place how would the exact orientation of the restricted space be determined? Would it always be parallel to the front of the tee?
Yes TDs need to mark it. (They should have been marking it before too). There is no default when it is unmarked.
Here's a sadistic hole design when following the 2022 rules. You can "make" each mando and still risk "missing it" on the back side with your next throw. Imagine play if there were no marked Drop Zones (DZ)! You can say no designer would do this but it's no worse potential punishment than using OB rope to make things difficult. The Missed Mando Line for Mando 2 works just like an OB line on the edge of a green.
I dont mind the rule. I mind how poorly most people mark Mandos and choose what object the Mando is on. I mind the choices people make to add unnecessary Mandos and the fact that most players have absolutely NO idea how to play a Mando since there are so many questions surrounding it. The new rule keeps it more simple IF the TD or course properly marks the Mando and the line of the invisible plane.
That s_tl guy seems to know what he's talking about, whoever it is. It's a shame no one else there agrees with him.Single direction, you roll back through it and you have to pass the mando correctly again on the next shot, you don't get an arbitrary stroke for an unfortunate roll, it's much easier for the group to make a decision than the current which has them trying to work out where a roll might have gone on it's way to rest (see diagram here for what I mean, good luck group working out whether that disc rolled across the plane or not from 80 meters away - https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/rwvoz8/i_have_a_question_about_the_new_mando_rules/ ) and is just more intuitive and fits better with the wording of 804.01.A?
I may be misunderstanding the rule and some of the comments, but this is what I envisioned. The disc clears the mando, gets a tree kick and rolls backward on the wrong side of the mando and lays down on the mando line. It is my understanding, this is not a missed mando?
If it is not a missed mando, the player then must take a stance behind the mando line and make a throw from behind the mando line. Can the player throw the blue path, or must the next throw follow the green line?
Did I miss something or has this scenario been clarified?
Stay tuned.
Did I miss something or has this scenario been clarified?
Did I miss something or has this scenario been clarified?