[Discraft] esp comets comin again!

[Monocacy]

so despite the similar numbers could a Buzzz/Comet combo work well?

Both excel at straight shots, so it would not be the most versatile combination.

 

[Apoth]

Both excel at straight shots, so it would not be the most versatile combination.

I disagree here. I find them to be very different discs and carry both.

Yes, the buzzz (at least in Z) is a straighter mid, but it flies very differently from a comet. The buzzz has significantly more fade and won't hold an anny line nearly as well. It also stands up to wind better. I use the buzzz as my primary mid for straight shots and hyzers (glo buzzzes are great at this when thrown high and given a hyzer angle). My Comet is for straight, tight shots that I want to go straight and where accuracy is at a premium. I also use them for annys as they will hold that anny line forever.

 

[GLong]

Both excel at straight shots, so it would not be the most versatile combination.

I also disagree. They are very different discs and at opposite ends of the mid spectrum. The Comet flies like a faster putter and the Buzzz flies like a slower driver. The lines you can hit and what each does well is totally different.

I have read that the Buzz and Comet are not a great pair because of the speed difference. If Frank D were around I would ask him to chime in. Basically it helps with mids to throw molds that are close in speed for the sake of consistency. From what I have seen, most devoted Comet throwers pair it with Rocs for their mid line-up. For about 6 months I have been throwing the Buzzz as my compliment to the Comet but kept my Roc stash and will be revisiting it soon.

 

[Sean Johnson]

My mid lineup looks like this:

ESP Hornet
ESP Buzzz
ESP Comet
ESP Zone

I don't feel like I have any significant overlap at all with this set of mids. The Buzzz is better in the wind, flies further in low ceiling situations, and is significantly more overstable than the Comet (and Z Comets). The Hornet is for very windy days, long midrange hyzers/short drives, some shape shots, and really ugly forehands. The Zone is a short-ish range utility disc that is used when the Hornet would overshoot it's mark.

I've heard about the magic Comet/Roc combo, but so far it's not the revelation that I thought it would be. It's probably because I've been throwing Buzzzes and Zones longer than anything, so I'm pretty comfortable with how they feel. For me, learning a whole new disc to replace discs that I already love would probably not be worth the effort.

 

[warren1086]

I use the Drone/Buzzz/Comet combo and think that they work extremely well together. I totally agree that the Buzzz/Comet speed ratio isn't comparable, but I find it a lot easier to throw the Comet further with less power. But as everyone else knows/stated the Comet is sh*t in the wind. Even though they are all extremely close in speeds the Buzzz comes out of the hand much faster than the Comet. I could not think of a time on ay course where I didn't use my Comet at least once. Over all, the best disc in my bag.

 

[VictorB]

But as everyone else knows/stated the Comet is sh*t in the wind.

I have been throwing comets for over 2 years now, and I didn't know that.

seriously, they really aren't bad in the wind. of course, there are better alternatives for headwinds, but why would people use them so much (myself included) if they were ineffective on windy days?

 

[warren1086]

The Buzzz is better in the wind, flies further in low ceiling situations, and is significantly more overstable than the Comet (and Z Comets).

The buzzz has significantly more fade and won't hold an anny line nearly as well. It also stands up to wind better.

It doesnt seem like I am the only one, but I guess its user preference. I find my Buzzz to be much more reliable in windy conditions. I never opt to throw my Comet when it is windy. I meant no disrespect to the Comet. Oh and I guess I forgot to mention that I throw the same Comet going on three years now, so that would also factor in why I dont throw it in the wind. She's my baby.

 

[Apoth]

I simply find the comet to be a little iffy in most strong winds (tailwind excluded). With that said, I throw my comet most often on very wooded holes and the trees tend to block the wind pretty effectively.

 

[Marmoset]

so why is a comet so great?

Here is an answer I have previously given to that question:

...Golfers, regardless of skill level, are consistently looking for the same things:
a disc that goes straight
a disc that has no fade (or veeerrry little)
a great gliding disc
a disc that does anhyzers really well
a disc that will hold sweet lines without having to beat it in
etc.

I feel that Comets can excel at all of these demands and many more. This thread is dedicated to exploring the many things the Comet does well.

I can't say the Comet is the best midrange or the only midrange... there are other fanboys that will claim that for their favorite disc. But I do think the Comet is the best fit for:
1. my current skillset
2. my current priorities I look for in a midrange
3. the way I like to play my home course

If other people read this thread then I think they might realize there are alternatives to the other popular midranges and the Comet just might fill a slot they have been looking for.

Enjoy the thread, learn some stuff, ask questions, whatever.
Try a Comet... you just might like it.

I would also add that the Comet serves as a fabulous diagnostic tool/form checker. If you can keep an Comet straight for 320+ feet (X Comet, no wind) then you are probably doing many things correctly. I know several people that keep Comets around solely for this purpose... they don't throw them during rounds.

so despite the similar numbers could a Buzzz/Comet combo work well?

Buzzz:
fast
more fade
power shots
low shots
open holes
a little better in the windy situations

Comet:
slow
less fade
finesse shots
higher shots
woodsy holes
not as wind resistant (but fine in the wind if you know what you are doing)

Both discs are similar in alot of ways but are also very different. It is an odd pair for a midrange lineup IMO because they are fundamentally different in how they work. For me it is strange to go from the characteristics of a Comet to the characteristics of a Buzzz. The transition from a Comet to a Roc is much smoother for me because, while they fill different roles, they still operate in a very similar manner. They are both slower and need the height to get D and they feel much more similar in my hand than the Comet/Buzzz combo.

If you are used to the flight characteristics of a Buzzz and you try to throw the Comet the same way you throw your Buzzz then the Comet will probably act understable. I throw my Rocs the same way I throw my Comets (or vice versa) and everything works just fine.

 

[Marmoset]

I have been throwing comets for over 2 years now, and I didn't know that.

Even Firebirds are bad in the wind if you don't know how to throw them
I use My Comets in certain winds. I could use my Comets in more windy situations but that's why I carry Rocs... because I'm lazy about playing the wind. I'm much better about playing in the wind since my 2 year stint with 150 class but I still like the added insurance of a more overstable disc in certain wind situations.

 

[mzuleger]

They are very different discs and at opposite ends of the mid spectrum.

This seems like a crazy statement to me... yes, they are different discs but they're both intended to be straight flying mids. IMO speed doesn't put them "at the opposite ends of the mid spectrum"

that said, I'm a firm believer that you can use any combo of discs as long as you take the time to get to know them.

 

[tbird888]

Buzzz:
fast
more fade
power shots
low shots
open holes
a little better in the windy situations

Comet:
slow
less fade
finesse shots
higher shots
woodsy holes
not as wind resistant (but fine in the wind if you know what you are doing)

This seems like a crazy statement to me... yes, they are different discs but they're both intended to be straight flying mids. IMO speed doesn't put them "at the opposite ends of the mid spectrum"

that said, I'm a firm believer that you can use any combo of discs as long as you take the time to get to know them.

Two posts above yours. I'd say it's more than just speed.

 

[GLong]

This seems like a crazy statement to me... yes, they are different discs but they're both intended to be straight flying mids. IMO speed doesn't put them "at the opposite ends of the mid spectrum"

that said, I'm a firm believer that you can use any combo of discs as long as you take the time to get to know them.

as far as 'straight flying mids' go they are quite different. have you thrown both for any period of time?

the comet is a large diameter mid that flies like a long putter. the buzzz is a mid that flies like a slow driver. name me another mid that you can throw on low line drives like a buzzz. there aren't many, if any. that's why the buzz is so popular. it bridges the gap between 'traditional' mids and fairway drivers.

I'm not saying that you can't use them, or any other mids, together. Throw whatever feels comfortable and gives you the best results/scores.

 

[Monocacy]

I disagree here.

I also disagree.

Hmm, I'm not usually so disagreeable.

If Buzzz - Comet works for you, great. I prefer to carry a small bag, so having two discs that excel at straight isn't what I want, even if their speeds are very different. I can cover a lot more shots with Comet - Roc, and use a Leopard when I need a low, straight drive.

No slam on the Buzzz - I threw them for a year or two and it is one of the top two midranges.

 

[Triflusal]

roc and comet are like peanutbutter and jelly

 

[Apoth]

Finally got to throw mine last night. They feel nice, but had a touch more stability than I was expecting. Mine was a 178 watermelon/red. It would go straight but had a noticeable touch of fade at the end of its flight similar to a new Z comet.

 

[Marmoset]

That sounds right for a new heavy ESP. Even new domey Elite X Comets are like that.

 

[Apoth]

Not necessarily upset by it. I have a lighter 7 that's pretty worn in and will hold a straighter shot and was wanting something a little heavier and newer that would fade out the end, so its fitting the bill.

 

[Marmoset]

Are they really domey?

 

[VictorB]

Are they really domey?

the ESPs 4 that I have are as domey as my dome-iest Zs. Here's to hoping they won't take 2 years to beat the fade out of them though.