tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Did Discraft offer an option to play with a previous event's discs? No. It was $25 for the event, not $25 for the event with the Player's Pack OR $10 for the event with a previous event's discs.
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2013 Discraft Ace Race
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Did Discraft offer an option to play with a previous event's discs? No. It was $25 for the event, not $25 for the event with the Player's Pack OR $10 for the event with a previous event's discs.
deadbody
Eagle Member
It was treated as an option by some pretty large Ace Races in years past. As long as you were still using the Ace Race discs, you didn't have to be using the ones from that specific players pack.
Maybe this is just Discraft clarifying what their intention was all along, but I don't like it.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Then those are probably the events that made Discraft be more blunt about the rules. I know for a fact that wasn't allowed in my area with Ace Races being within a hour of each other.
Then don't play the event. It's as simple as that.
deadbody
Eagle Member
Agreed,but if I am choosing not to play something because of the specific actions of a company it seems reasonable to make that information public so that the company in question can choose to change or not change their stance after hearing from the public.
That's fair, but from their point of view it's irrelevant money-wise whether those people pay $10 to the TD that doesn't go back to Discraft, or just don't play. From the standpoint of what they want the event to be, I can see their point of wanting everyone to be on a level playing field without extra experience with a particular disc.
As I stated, I've been intimately familiar with the rules since I started doing this...indeed, I ran across this "new" rule while on the Ace Race site seeing if anything had changed, which is when the reworded verbiage caught my attention. It was never specified, or even implied, that TDs couldn't do what I and others have been doing for a while. I would expect an official "Rules Update" announcement from DC rather than having to discover these things on my own...
And I agree with others that this rule doesn't prevent anyone from getting familiar with the disc before the event...I've always allowed early check-ins to warm up and even get to know the shortened holes, and yes people will "speed break-in" the discs with some pavement or tree throws. I've never had a complaint in regards to fairness, because as far as I know people show up to have fun, and the more aces and metal hits ALL AROUND the greater the collective fun factor, so I still don't get it. :\
Hell yes! And with how awesome this player's pack is, there's no reason to think you can't get your money's worth by buying into more than one event. Discraft pint glasses are what I'm looking forward to adding to my cupboard! :hfive:
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
I don't think the rules changed so much as they were more explicitly defined.
The quotes in my comment that weren't carried over to your reply imply that you get two discs from a players pack. Rationalizing that a players pack is a players pack, regardless of what event they were handed out, is pretty extreme, especially with a clearly marked $25 event price tag. If it were $25 for all events that would be different.
The quotes in my comment that weren't carried over to your reply imply that you get two discs from a players pack. Rationalizing that a players pack is a players pack, regardless of what event they were handed out, is pretty extreme, especially with a clearly marked $25 event price tag. If it were $25 for all events that would be different.
deadbody
Eagle Member
It's irrelevant to DC as far as bottom line on this event, but it is relevant to
them in terms of making ther TD's happy, and allowing TD's to raise more funds to offer better prizes, or donate more money to the course.
More prizes offered, or money donated to the course, the more likely the TD is going to want to keep running events.
simpletwist
* Ace Member *
This whole argument seems ludicrous. And it also seems a shame that DC has to get into the weeds to ensure compliance with the rules. But I'm glad they are addressing this situation.
Why is common sense such an issue for folks? I seriously doubt that profit margin has anything to do with the Ace Race in and of itself. But for me common sense dictates that the profit DC gains comes from creating a fun event. A fun event for everyone. Everyone playing on as level a playing field as possible. 4 years ago my wife won the event. And lets just say she was far from the best player out there. But she had as good a chance as any. 2 years ago a 13 year old kid won. He was also new to the sport. And that's how the event should go.
I can't say for other Ace Races but the one held here in WNY follows the letter and spirit of the rules. And by doing that it makes it just that much more fun.
Why is common sense such an issue for folks? I seriously doubt that profit margin has anything to do with the Ace Race in and of itself. But for me common sense dictates that the profit DC gains comes from creating a fun event. A fun event for everyone. Everyone playing on as level a playing field as possible. 4 years ago my wife won the event. And lets just say she was far from the best player out there. But she had as good a chance as any. 2 years ago a 13 year old kid won. He was also new to the sport. And that's how the event should go.
I can't say for other Ace Races but the one held here in WNY follows the letter and spirit of the rules. And by doing that it makes it just that much more fun.
Joggernaut
Newbie
So I'm thinking the new disc will be leopardish? An under stable zombee? Call it the "Buzzzard". Slow gliding eagle like disc?
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Prolly just a matter of time before people try to ruin Vibram's Birdie Bash... 
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Boy, what a buzzkill this thread is. Discraft has been a consistant promoter of our sport in my area. I have had several encounters with them supporting kids events with plasitic and more, at a considerable loss. I don't see the Ace Race as some big revenue generating gig. But, I do see how entitled golfers could ruin this for the masses. Buy a pack, play the event, have fun. Anything outside of that is a golfers self inflated sense of themselves. Seriously, the event was obviously intended to hand everyone a new disc and have them all throw it. Why does anyone feel it is OK to think they should be given a break on entry price, for any reason? I am not that special, therefore I see no reason.
Earic02
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On a lighter note, our Detroit event highlight video is on the Ace Race website homepage. It features footage from the last two years, and two aces by yours truly. Don't be jealous of my awesome form and balance.
Make sure you watch it to get pumped.
www.discgolfacerace.com
Or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_qzQlmCNg
Make sure you watch it to get pumped.
www.discgolfacerace.com
Or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_qzQlmCNg
JRW III
Double Eagle Member
Before entering a debate, check your premise. Has the thought not occured to you that it isn't Discraft's intent to cater players playng multiple events. They have had a rule for several years now that ace races can not be within 30 miles of each other. Sure they may lose some repeat players with this rules clarification, but if repeat players was never their goal, then they don't really lose anything.
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and how are they going to regulate that?
deadbody
Eagle Member
Agreed that they don't lose anything here, but they might in the long run as TD's run less events because there is less money for charity or prizes available. Also the 30 mile rule doesn't at all stop repeat players. There will be at least 5 ace races this year within 30 miles of me.
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The only rules that are feasible to enforce:
1) everyone uses this years disc.
2) everyone pays the same entrance fee.
Beyond that, it's gonna be tough to enforce much, and the degree to which those two are enforced is obviously up to the TD.
Can we please get past this? :\
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this right here is hurting our growth more than anything imo. entitled, elitist, its all the same. this si more harmful than the hippie image. players feel entitled to get stuff, but they cant justify why they think they deserve it.
this needs to stop tho. how many casuals do you think get turned off when they interact with competitive players and they get all sorts of attitude from us because they arent in the know or their terminology is "wrong"? its alot more prevalent than you might think.
last fall i ran into a casual and played the rest of the round with him. he was actually quite good, and i told him he should try tournaments he would easily win the Rec divison and compete for the top of INT. he told me know way cause most of the tournament players he has meet have been total dbags. i was a lil surprised at this and asked him what he meant by it. he went on a short rant but his basic point was the elitist attitude was a turn off (went on and on about hating being corrected for calling it frolf). at the time it didnt really click but i told him that not all competitive players are like that and he should try leagues some time, usually its more relaxed (i was out-of-town so idk for his area). now i think about it and it makes me wonder how many casuals have this same opinion.
i have been guilty in the past, and probably will be in the future, but this has been a recent revelation of mine and will take some time to get it out of my system.
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