brutalbrutus
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They will be doing live "look ins" on the jomez crews.
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...thinking we would get traditional live coverage again for USDGC. ...
According to the Caddy Book, there's a lot of Stroke-and-Distance this year, although you often have the option of re-teeing and/or a Drop Zone.
It looks like holes 9-12, the island green of 13, and 17 will be stroke and distance. Did I miss any?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but most of these have been stroke and distance for the past few USDGCs.
Definitely punitive and not necessarily "fair". Players who "skillfully" landed initially on or flew over the island get the same penalty as someone who didn't throw far enough or missed completely. DZs for missing island greens should be close enough to the pin (10.1m) where a player has a putter's chance to save a double penalty on a single throwing error by getting a chance to demonstrate putting skill.6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 17 have drop zone or previous lie restrictions, and you're right, most of them were already using those restrictions in years past.
And it's not out of trying to be punitive, it's out of trying to be fair. Last in-bounds is a lot of guesswork. Rather than guess if a disc crossed any part of the air-space over an in-bounds area (particularly an island) then guess where exactly it crossed out of it, situations that can be abused by forceful players imposing their will on players less inclined to argue, just give everyone the same spot to play from (DZ) or let players play from a known lie (the previous one).
ALL OB should be played this way, IMO.
Definitely punitive and not necessarily "fair". Players who "skillfully" landed initially on or flew over the island get the same penalty as someone who didn't throw far enough or missed completely. DZs for missing island greens should be close enough to the pin (10.1m) where a player has a putter's chance to save a double penalty on a single throwing error by getting a chance to demonstrate putting skill.
...For example, at USDGC, a 10.1 meter drop zone would be what I'd call in the automatic three range....
Ultiworld just posted their article about how the live show is going to be handled.
https://discgolf.ultiworld.com/2018/09/20/live-coverage-returning-usdgc-new-look/
Sounds interesting.
Translation: "The coverage is going to suck."
This immediately came to mind.Some thoughts on coverage. If you look at the views of major events on YouTube over the last three years, they've gone from the 30,000 hits up to 100,000 pretty fast. Vids that have staying power (canned things of majors) go even higher. The value in marketing there is very clear. Innova has always been a captive control kind of company. They want to control as much as they can. That's their business model and it isn't surprising that they want to extend it into any video coverage of any event they control. Such an approach flat out precludes the use of Smash for live coverage, period. Even Jomez only works because Jomez will use Innova Pros as their commentators.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that approach, it's their baby, their dime. If folks want something different, they need to do it with their clicks. What Innova is capitalizing on, again smartly, is the work done by Smash, Jomez, and CCDG. Those guys did the legwork and have made video pay, whereas Innova's efforts have yielded mixed results (can you say bad vision?).
The Innova model is very similar to that of Microsoft, you don't have to be the best, you let someone else take the risk, then you buy them as cheaply as possible or you undermine them using your size to build a lesser product and then running them out. Similar to using the cachet of a prestige event, where you've blown the live coverage, to capture eyes that are interested in prestigious events.
Again, all of this is good business, even if it might possibly be bad for the viewing audience. In business, few companies learn the lesson, do what you do well and stick to that. Innova is good at making discs, really good. They are good at expanding markets, really good. They are good at capturing pro players, and they are good at marketing via video. They are even good at video synopses of events. They are bad at live commentary and fairly bad at canned commentary, and they should consider hiring folks that are better at it than they are. However, the reason it happens is a good reason. They are loyal to in-house guys and always will be. It's hard for me to hate on them too much.
I will watch some of this, but unless there has been a serious jump in commentary skills, I don't think it will hold my attention. I admire Avery and Jamie, their loyalty and passion are clear, but that isn't enough. I think JVP is correct. It is an interesting attempt. Curious to watch.
Traditional? It seems like it was just last week that there was any kind of footage at all, and about 14 minutes ago that you could even hope for live coverage.
It's way too soon to fossilize "because that's how it's always been done".
Any video coverage of the WUSDGC this weekend?
PaigeP with a 1400 rated round...
Ultidisc said on their Facebook page that Jomez is doing day after coverage.
...you stay "live"...and then you bring in Jomez & additional camera files and quickly edit them every few holes and insert them between actual live shots