VictorB
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Lol!!
NOOOOOO thank you. I have zero interest in my AM money going to pro purses.
So where do you want it to go then?
I think Ams should be playing trophy only, and thought that back when I was playing Am full time.
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Lol!!
NOOOOOO thank you. I have zero interest in my AM money going to pro purses.
So where do you want it to go then?
I think Ams should be playing trophy only, and thought that back when I was playing Am full time.
I would be happy to have my money go to the club, supporting youth play, new course development and local course maintenance.
I would be happy to have my money go to the club, supporting youth play, new course development and local course maintenance.
So do you think that people who come from out of town to play a tournament which appropriates entry fees this way would be happy with that, and come back to that tournament? Most of what you listed will not benefit those players in any way.
So where do you want it to go then?
I think Ams should be playing trophy only, and thought that back when I was playing Am full time.
So do you think that people who come from out of town to play a tournament which appropriates entry fees this way would be happy with that, and come back to that tournament? Most of what you listed will not benefit those players in any way.
Most (if not all) of what he listed ACTUALLY grows the sport
opcorn:
Why would you get a big check for $205?
So do you think that people who come from out of town to play a tournament which appropriates entry fees this way would be happy with that, and come back to that tournament? Most of what you listed will not give those players their participation trophies.
The problem is how do we break the sport of that after it is already established? TD's are afraid of running players off. Big events like Glass Blown Open have lavish head-spinning player's packs. It doesn't seem like it's going to change any time soon.Disc golf is the only sport where players expect to get their entry fees back, it's ridiculous.
That just sounds like a local pro wanting to take their money.
It doesn't answer the question: Who else would benefit, by having more pros and fewer advanced players?
It strikes me as a solution without a problem.
So where do you want it to go then?
I think Ams should be playing trophy only, and thought that back when I was playing Am full time.
Over the past couple years I have run 5 C tiers with $10 entry fees and no players pack or prizes beyond trophies. All have sold out the number of Am spots available. IMO those of you who claim players will not come out for this type of thing do not actually know that because no one in your area has tried it. Discussing how things ought to be online is fun and interesting to some people but there is very little risk involved in running that type of event- no merch to be bought beforehand and then get stuck with, etc. I challenge some of you to actually do it and see what the result is, you may be surprised that the Am players in your area are not as addicted to trinkets as you believe. What do you have to lose?
There are new players coming into the game all the time. These players are not predisposed to believe that they need to be bribed into playing with player's packs. It is the organizers who perpetuate that myth and the PDGA who prop it up with trinket requirements for their various tier levels.
Unfortunately for your theory, the BEST way to get better and be pro is to build a strong inventory of practice discs. Players simply cannot afford to do this. In most sports you do not have to play a bunch with equipment to really make it work. Sure you can work in a glove, and there are probably other examples... In disc golf, there are so many choices, plastic types, differences in flight based on weight, color, run and material you need plastic to practice. Nixing, players packs, trophies and paying out is the best way to get players to pro because it gives them the tools they need to get better. I got better because I got up to 10 TL's, Leopards, Destroyers, etc... not because I get a DX aviar in a players pack.
Also, a TD willing to carry multiple manufacturers allows players, with payout, to trial a new company they might not otherwise try. It keeps the big fish from being able to sample their discs when the smaller or up start guys simply cant seed 40 or 50 events a year with players pack items. They rely on payouts for that kind of growth.
How many Am spots are you filling? $8.50 per player is going towards trophies to meet requirements of a C-tier?
I honestly couldn't disagree more. The best way to get better is by having practice discs? Come on. Give Paul McBeth an allotment of 30 discs for the whole season and he's still the best player in the world. I'm willing to bet there is zero correlation between number of discs owned and skill level once you get past 10 or so discs.
Pros are about the worst thing for the growth of the sport. Pros, especially traveling ones, come into local communities get paid out from entry and added cash.
Unfortunately for your theory, the BEST way to get better and be pro is to build a strong inventory of practice discs. Players simply cannot afford to do this. In most sports you do not have to play a bunch with equipment to really make it work. Sure you can work in a glove, and there are probably other examples... In disc golf, there are so many choices, plastic types, differences in flight based on weight, color, run and material you need plastic to practice. Nixing, players packs, trophies and paying out is the best way to get players to pro because it gives them the tools they need to get better. I got better because I got up to 10 TL's, Leopards, Destroyers, etc... not because I get a DX aviar in a players pack.