oh man, i forgot about 10-11 years ago i was a one disc wonder with my sharp edged valk....hmmm...again.....and my buddy was reaching in the basket to get his disc out and I putted with my valk and nailed him right across the back of the hand while his hand was against the basket. The lack of give, caused a huge mark on his hand, swelling, couldn't grip his disc so we quit for the day....whoops.