Ultimate is not that fast paced, you talk about a sport that doesn't stop, look at soccer. That is refereed, and it goes on longer than the average Ultimate game. Ultimate will never be a legitimate sport until OBJECTIVE refs are implemented. Play Ultimate at the college level, players are only concerned about their personal performance (I know, it's a generalization). I once witnessed a joke of an athlete argue that since, "i stopped rotation of the disc", even though he dropped it, that it was a catch. What a joke. Right now, it is completely SUBJECTIVE and it kills the game because way too many Ultimate athletes are whiners and can't accept that there are better players than them. I could go on for days, but I'll stop hijacking this thread.