Ted Bratton
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I'll try to clarify haha. This is why I try to keep my thoughts to myself...
"Confused by your contradiction. Specifically where you say it's what people want their C/SPDs to fly like"
No contradiction there. I'm talking about the people I encounter with medium-low levels of power and speed who consider the PD a faster, longer teebird and use it as their distance driver. The comparison isn't so far off but I guess I'm picky lol. A normal C/SPD is much more overstable than a normal teebird so it will turn much less and fade much more. This has the value of making it reliable and great for a lot of shots, obviously...but a poor choice if you have trouble reaching reachable baskets with it because it wouldn't glide for long enough. The CD2 will still be reliable for almost anyone yet it will fly farther which is great.
"but then you say that the CD2 is more of a straight flier, but like an Eagle X?? I tend to think of the Eagle as having less HSS and comparable LSS to a PD (I've not thrown a Brinster TB)."
The CD2 flies straighter than a PD, but is still reliable. For someone who can't throw with as much power and speed as say Paul McBeth (who threw his quite overstable CPDs 400+ for control on video) the CD2 will fly -plenty- overstable and reliable and simply net them more glide and distance, which is why I recommend it over the CPD. It will act the way you want the CPD to act because the CPD is designed to handle the fast disc speed of very powerful players.
I said the PD is like an Eagle X. The flight numbers on the Eagle X are bogus as flight number usually are. An average Eagle X is simply more overstable than an average Teebird X. -Less- turn, more fade. It is also a misconception that Teebirds won't turn. Teebird X's like to turn -more- than Eagle X's because they are more understable. Contradictory to the flight numbers right? Welcome to the world of flight numbers/charts...The KC champ Teebird usually doesn't like to turn especially when new, unless you can throw with high power and speed. Someone like Wiggins can turn over discs that you couldn't imagine a human could turn over because he can throw the disc so fast. However once a Teebird beats in a little they turn nicely resulting in an even straighter, glidier flight which is great in the woods where most of us play. Over a season or so they will even become good turnover discs which is one of the reasons they tend to be so popular, they just have a good speed, stability, and feel that agrees with a lot of different players with varying power levels. TheKC champ Teebird isn't too overstable for most people unless they are very low power throwers.
The Brinster Teebird was slightly tweaked by Steve's request to be extra overstable. Similar in overstability to an average Eagle X but obviously in the form of a Teebird which he many other people desired so I'm sure he made good money from them. There are plenty of other examples of extra overstable Teebirds. Any Teebird with an abnormally high wing will fly this way. Often times these are older and/or flatter CE or 11x teebirds or some form of special CFR glow or metal flake plastic.
"Are you saying that you think most people expect the C and S-Line PDs to fly straight?"
Maybe not but some people do, I've encountered a few myself lol. Hell two years ago when I found this forum and the PD I was one of them so I relate and I wish I would have been throwing the CPD. Much like I wish my first disc wasn't a Nuke. I had several C and S PDs and I wanted them to fly straighter and glide longer but really they didn't want to turn at all even in most headwinds lol. Even now that I throw -much- faster and more powerfully my CPD is quite an overstable disc even suitable for fast shots into headwinds and throwing when I sacrifice distance for the guarantee that it won't turn. I wouldn't throw the CD2 or teebird for such a shot now but I would have 2 years ago.
I obviously throw overstable discs very often but for every person's level of power and level of speed there is a certain level of disc overstability that works. A disc that is "overstable enough" but not too "overstable", and I think the CD2 fits that bill for so many people which is why I bothered typing all of these words haha. Plus I had nothing better to do tonight.
"Confused by your contradiction. Specifically where you say it's what people want their C/SPDs to fly like"
No contradiction there. I'm talking about the people I encounter with medium-low levels of power and speed who consider the PD a faster, longer teebird and use it as their distance driver. The comparison isn't so far off but I guess I'm picky lol. A normal C/SPD is much more overstable than a normal teebird so it will turn much less and fade much more. This has the value of making it reliable and great for a lot of shots, obviously...but a poor choice if you have trouble reaching reachable baskets with it because it wouldn't glide for long enough. The CD2 will still be reliable for almost anyone yet it will fly farther which is great.
"but then you say that the CD2 is more of a straight flier, but like an Eagle X?? I tend to think of the Eagle as having less HSS and comparable LSS to a PD (I've not thrown a Brinster TB)."
The CD2 flies straighter than a PD, but is still reliable. For someone who can't throw with as much power and speed as say Paul McBeth (who threw his quite overstable CPDs 400+ for control on video) the CD2 will fly -plenty- overstable and reliable and simply net them more glide and distance, which is why I recommend it over the CPD. It will act the way you want the CPD to act because the CPD is designed to handle the fast disc speed of very powerful players.
I said the PD is like an Eagle X. The flight numbers on the Eagle X are bogus as flight number usually are. An average Eagle X is simply more overstable than an average Teebird X. -Less- turn, more fade. It is also a misconception that Teebirds won't turn. Teebird X's like to turn -more- than Eagle X's because they are more understable. Contradictory to the flight numbers right? Welcome to the world of flight numbers/charts...The KC champ Teebird usually doesn't like to turn especially when new, unless you can throw with high power and speed. Someone like Wiggins can turn over discs that you couldn't imagine a human could turn over because he can throw the disc so fast. However once a Teebird beats in a little they turn nicely resulting in an even straighter, glidier flight which is great in the woods where most of us play. Over a season or so they will even become good turnover discs which is one of the reasons they tend to be so popular, they just have a good speed, stability, and feel that agrees with a lot of different players with varying power levels. TheKC champ Teebird isn't too overstable for most people unless they are very low power throwers.
The Brinster Teebird was slightly tweaked by Steve's request to be extra overstable. Similar in overstability to an average Eagle X but obviously in the form of a Teebird which he many other people desired so I'm sure he made good money from them. There are plenty of other examples of extra overstable Teebirds. Any Teebird with an abnormally high wing will fly this way. Often times these are older and/or flatter CE or 11x teebirds or some form of special CFR glow or metal flake plastic.
"Are you saying that you think most people expect the C and S-Line PDs to fly straight?"
Maybe not but some people do, I've encountered a few myself lol. Hell two years ago when I found this forum and the PD I was one of them so I relate and I wish I would have been throwing the CPD. Much like I wish my first disc wasn't a Nuke. I had several C and S PDs and I wanted them to fly straighter and glide longer but really they didn't want to turn at all even in most headwinds lol. Even now that I throw -much- faster and more powerfully my CPD is quite an overstable disc even suitable for fast shots into headwinds and throwing when I sacrifice distance for the guarantee that it won't turn. I wouldn't throw the CD2 or teebird for such a shot now but I would have 2 years ago.
I obviously throw overstable discs very often but for every person's level of power and level of speed there is a certain level of disc overstability that works. A disc that is "overstable enough" but not too "overstable", and I think the CD2 fits that bill for so many people which is why I bothered typing all of these words haha. Plus I had nothing better to do tonight.
