I have had absolutley no luck with most DM discs. I started with the DD2 Frenzy in BC plastic. I liked what I read, but had seen none. Still see none locally. I was new after 30 years of a layoff. I couldn't make it fly well, then I lost it. Then I bought a DD Hysteria. That one was harder for me to throw. I tried and tried, used it for about a month. I spoke with DM folks who said, try the RUSH. I did...in hot pink! I still can't throw that thing except for weak hyzers. I also have let some powerful throwers try it, and it always hyzers off. Only when I throw into a headwind will it turn ever so softly to the right. I'm RHBH. I even tried a MD...same thing. I am convinced tht only the strongest throwers can make these discs fly. BUT...someone returned my BC Frenzy aftyer a couple months. It was a little mor beat in, and I was getting better technique and strength. I can make that disc turn-over easily???? This is the top of the line driver! I can't throw it into the wind without it flippin' and rolling away. Strange huh? I've been wanting to try the new FEVER, which I believe is the new RUSH. I don't think I will, and will look to rid my bag of the RUSH and HYSTERIA, both in great shape! Funny how each of us differs in opinions of each plastic, or disc maker.