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- Nov 2, 2008
I, personally, understand the difference between personal attacks and idea attacks.
And that's kind of the whole point of the dunning kruger effect.
Your knowledge on the subject is limited to a point where you think you know all about the subject.
As in the quote you made there, that's the dunning kruger effect.
Though, it's also worth to note that sometimes when people discuss things people mistake "i'm absolutely right and you cannot tell me otherwise" with "this is me stating my opinion on the topic in a strongly worded way because i'm defending my view of the topic, change my mind."
I've had to change my opinion on a few things while studying form for the last 4 years. I've fallen victim to the "I think i know it all" a few times during my journey.
Now I've learned to question everything. Because the overall picture is becoming clearer the more I learn. The point of me sharing it as the dunning kruger is when you try and help these guys that are still learning, they are not interested. They are right, and you need to subscribe to THEIR method, cause.. They talk to sidewinder/seabass privately, and he says this or that.
Or whatever other excuse they want to make mentally on their side.
Its like "yeah, I talk to all those people also, and we dont always agree on things, but we still have open discussions and work through our idea's and learn from each other."
I'm personally getting frustrated with a few things in the coaching world at the moment and disc golf. I'm fairly tempted to take a break.
What is the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Thanks for the explanation ell! I absolutely forgot that it can go "both ways".
It's been years since i first read about it and to be fair, it's veey exciting and makes you wonder about yourself at times.
And thanks brychanus! Gonna have a look, not sure if my English will cut it, but I'll give it a go.
The main basic point of the effect of it is that people generally over estimate their abilities and knowledge until they get to a certain point and realize they don't know as much as they think they know.
It's tough in todays society as people throw things around randomly to sound "cool."
And if anything, Everyone should know by now, with me at least, I'm not really hip on that.
But in a level of learning, you are not really an expert until you have more questions than answers. Because when you know enough to know what you dont know, you've finally hit the top of the curve. That's a visual representation of Dunning Kruger though. Which when you finally peak in your knowledge and stop overestimating your abilities because you've gotten passed the ego stage essentially to know you dont know things, vs pretending you know more than you do.
When you really understand the overall effect and approach studying and academics as a whole like this, it makes it SOOO much easier to learn as well and far far far faster.
Because for starters, you keep your mouth shut until you feel you've gained a LARGE grasp on the topic vs learning a little bit and assuming the rest without peer review, discussion or other things.
There is no better way, in my opinion, to learn something that to study it, ask questions and also apply it.
If you dont ever try and talk with peers about the subject, you'll put yourself in an echo chamber.
Which.. puts you on the front side of the curve. The part where you're vastly overestimating your abilities or knowledge in a subject.
Another very good way to learn is to do a thing wrong a(t least a) few times. It’s unfortunate that’s my primary means.