wims
Double Eagle Member
Yeah, I didn't mean that she's not a big thing, when I said novelty I really meant the freshness or newness of having her on their team
Yeah, I didn't mean that she's not a big thing, when I said novelty I really meant the freshness or newness of having her on their team
So the fact that at a time when women's sports were receiving little to no support at all, that Innova and Discraft supported women, and women's events, occurred only because no one else was doing it? I don't understand your logic flow.
BTW - on the top two teams for Innova vs the top two teams for DD, the ratio of men to women is, let me see, do do do, that would be 2 to 1 (12 to 6) for Innova and 7 to 1 for DD. And the one is? Oh yeah, PP.
The argument that is being made about Innova is that they are essentially sexist.
So, as I understand it, Innova took on almost a twenty year path to mistreat women. They decided that they were going to compensate women differently, and unfairly from men, and they stuck to that through thick and thin. They were so committed to their sexism and mistreatment of women that, not only did they bring lots of them onto their team - nothing like proximity so you can exercise your bias - when their top female pro came to them, negotiated hard, told them she was going to leave if they didn't modify their stance, that they stuck to their guns. I mean that takes some serious chutzpah. Talk about your commitment. It's almost like they looked at the numbers and decided that the support that player wanted wasn't merited by the money being discussed and decided that they'd stick with their... sexism.
The argument is, ludicrous. At least I hope someone out there thinks it is.
Ive written this before, but... it isn't a matter of a player's name decreasing sales, it's a matter of it increasing sales. If I give said player $1 per every disc with "her" name on it, that I sell, how many extra discs do I have to sell to cover the additional cost, and make more money? Sixth grade math, who knew it was relevant! Because the goal in sponsoring players is to add to your brand and make more money.
No manufacturer has an obligation to support the women's sport. They have a legally punishible obligation to not discriminate. Yet many are beating all around the edge suggesting that Innova has, when there is zero evidence of that, and lots of evidence that they've supported women, most likely at a cost.
You are making the point that the women's game needs to be supported, and that will generate capital. Great, stand by your position. I'd love to see the PDGA take on the issue to flesh it out.
If you are gonna argue that the sport should be doing more, then you need to step up and do that through the PDGA. If you are morally committed to the concept, then shouldn't you be willing to pay for it's testing? Shouldn't you be arguing to the PDGA that they need to move in this direction with a separate women's tour and additional support?
It isn't the job of a for profit company to do that. It's why there are some things best left to capitalism, and some things that should be handled in a different way. As a note, at some level we've done this. Coverage and support of the women's game has been driven by the PDGA. It's part of the reason why the women's game carries the financial weight it does.
I agree that Innova and Discraft have done good things for women's pro disc golf. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
I don't think it would have taken much money to make Val feel supported by Innova. And I believe that this small sum would have been worth it. I agree that there probably would not have been any short-term financial gain for Innova. But there could have been either a) long-term financial gain, b) PR gain, or both.
It's a business, and they have to turn a profit. I don't think Innova was obligated to do anything. I don't think Innova will really suffer financially. But I bet the owners of Innova, like at all companies, want to project something more than just an image of ruthless capitalism. Val's departure hurts that effort. To some people, it makes them look cold-blooded and greedy. And it reminds people of past tales of cold-bloodedness towards top male pros. In the small world of pro disc golf in 2016, it has turned some people off. Some people don't care. But no one's saying it was a good thing that Val left and said she hadn't been supported.
I'm a PDGA member, and I do hope they are doing their part for women in the game.
Yeah, I didn't mean that she's not a big thing, when I said novelty I really meant the freshness or newness of having her on their team
Sponsors have marketing departments, that's why anyone knows about or buys anything from that company.
Im thinking Prodigy was a set up to fail from get go operation, the top pros created it to leverage better deals from Innova and Discraft. Now that they have there gonna close up shop. Will, Cat and Uli are now free agents.
Any word from Will on his announcement?
In the end the lower end guys will benifit as well, but they were probally not in on the plot to create a phony company to drive up there value.
Brillant move by the prodigy creators, they made disc golf sponsorships great again.
Any word from Will on his announcement?
Will S. just posted on Facebook "The last four years have been great. Today I am making a big change. Stay tuned! ��"
Leaving Prodigy?
I think he's getting married.