Spurgeonsigns
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Has anyone ever heard of a legitimate par 4 hole that is less than 171ft that has never been eagled? We have one at a local private course (Sticky Pines) that I believe is the world's shortest par 4.
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World's Shortest par 4............
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Cgkdisc
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Diagram? Photo?
notroman
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This is ultimately going to end in the classic DGCR "what is par" debate.
Definately needs pics.
I'm curious - if it's never been 2'd....what does the scoring separation look like?
I'm curious - if it's never been 2'd....what does the scoring separation look like?
jsc430
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I'm gonna guss hes talking about this course Sticky Pines DGC
Hole 14. Listed as a 197' par 4 with water in play. Np pics unfortunately.
Hole 14. Listed as a 197' par 4 with water in play. Np pics unfortunately.
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Does it have anything to do with "...smaller than usual baskets"?
I like how the OP designed the course, and listed it on here, but gives contradicting info on the hole distance.
Either way, sounds like a gimmicky hole that belongs at Springwood Players' Course.
Cgkdisc
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I'm thinking if I had a hole on a ledge that was 170 ft vertically almost directly above the tee where the fairway is a trail that spirals around a hill, it likely would not get deuced.
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A 197'/171' legit par 4 is hardcore. I'd be curious to see that.
The shortest par 4 I've played is Shawshank 15 (282'), which is definitely parred right though it has been birdied: a sort of stepladder line through the woods with a brutally tight landing zone at the turn. I'm pretty sure the designer, Steve Dufrane, can eagle it with a forehand roller. Fun hole, actually.
The shortest par 4 I've played is Shawshank 15 (282'), which is definitely parred right though it has been birdied: a sort of stepladder line through the woods with a brutally tight landing zone at the turn. I'm pretty sure the designer, Steve Dufrane, can eagle it with a forehand roller. Fun hole, actually.
jsc430
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Supposedly its been eagled by pros throwing huge sky annys. But then he made a mando right of the teebox or something that forces you to play the hole as designed. That hole has so much controversy surrounding it.
The hole is shaped like an L where you're teeing from the short end towrds the 90 degree turn. Except the long part of the L is bowed in which makes the landing zone about 10' x 10'. And to top it off theres a vine (owner calls it "da-vine intervention" that knocks down anything trying to cut the turn off the box. Really twisted hole. I'm playing there tomorrow so i'll be sure to cuss at for all of you.
notroman
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Yeah, that's the kind of hole design I'm not a fan of. No point to holes like that at all. You can't really deuce it yet a 3 is just a couple of short layup shots. Boring for pros, death for beginners (with all those trees)... Why even.
Cgkdisc
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Tee sign says 276? Looks like RHFH skip shot might produce some upshot chances at 2.
The hole pictured is shawshank
The short tee for #14 at Ashe County (Jefferson, NC) is a steep uphill, 265 par 4. With the elevation, it plays close to the 400-foot range.
It's hard to envision this being a good hole. Straight up a cliff might, with trees, might make an interesting par-4. But if it's never been 2'd---and has been played by reasonably good players---then we're talking about something that forces 3 shots, averaging 60 feet, and a putt. Yuck.
Or, at least, a tentative yuck, until details, diagrams, and/or a photo show up.
Or, at least, a tentative yuck, until details, diagrams, and/or a photo show up.
Cgkdisc
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Unless there was a mando, and even if there is one, I think players would still try to hack through the 60' of woods straight to the pin.Or....
