lyleoross
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One point, by strict English, if you shanked the throw and landed OB anywhere on the course, you go to the DZ.
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It's last point in bounds after the tee shot, except that it's actually not because of the island green. So when you miss the island, having already crossed the island, your not playing last point in bounds. Even though it says "All subsequent shots play last point in bounds". Which raises the question, which is fair, of where your lie is when you miss the island, because it isn't last point in bounds because that point was on the island you didn't make.
Did I make that confusing enough?
The consequences are no worse, it'd be the same penalty (I think). Kind of like the stuff at the US Open ball golf tournament; the player thought he did no wrong, and it took slo-mo zoom camera angles to tell that the ball moved.
If they'd come to Paul and said he did wrong, he'd have said okay. But I don't think getting caught was in his mind. I think he realized his mistake and wanted to do the right thing. I know this is extremely rare in the world today, so it's hardly recognizable. Ergo, I'll give him credit for doing right.
Jeremy Rusco
Some posts on Facebook after Player Meeting indicated Jeremy was TD. But I did work with Doug on the course schedule so it makes sense.Doug Bjerkaas
That isn't what it says. It says if OB go to DZ. It doesn't define if you pass over something therefore, if you drive and land OB, even if your throw circles the moon, you go to the DZ. OTOH, if you lay up and then go OB you're okay, hence the subsequent.
I love how the pdga seemingly threw the bottom card in with the hole by hole scoring.
Actually, I think I figured it out, and its pretty bizarre. Caddy book for hole 7 says (exact quote emphasis added)
The bolded part is really poorly phrased. Paul's second shot in round one crossed the island and went OB out the back. So he played last place in bounds, which is what the second sentence tells you to do. However, the third sentence tells you something completely different. This is a total cluster. I wish this would have been caught sooner, and I hope it doesn't end up costing paul 2 strokes, as it seems like had an honest interpretation of the caddy book.
It's just a damn shame we don't have a clearer rulebook. Or an official on the hole where confusion may occur. I mean hell, it's only the biggest tournament in our sports afterall. Sheesh...let's not grow the sport until we pull our heads from asses.
Kudos to Paul for doing the right thing, now I want him to win even more.
If that is what the caddybook says, I'd have a real issue with taking the penalty. The only time a drop zone is mentioned to be used is off the tee...not from a 2nd shot. WTF
It's just a damn shame we don't have a clearer rulebook. Or an official on the hole where confusion may occur. I mean hell, it's only the biggest tournament in our sports afterall. Sheesh...let's not grow the sport until we pull our heads from asses.
Kudos to Paul for doing the right thing, now I want him to win even more.
The language seems clear to me
You seem to have ignored the first sentence of hole rules entirely, there's a designated drop zone if your tee shot is OB. It's a hole that should not have a DZ though, the rules would be so much clearer.So you tee off and land in or out of bounds you do this:
"All subsequent throws proceed to last place in bounds."
Not sure how you can have that sentence in the caddy book just before this sentence:
"Must come to rest on island to proceed to play from island. Once safely on island, regular OB rules apply"
So if you go OB after your tee shot it's impossible to follow both of those rules to make a true statement.
You seem to have ignored the first sentence of hole rules entirely, there's a designated drop zone if your tee shot is OB. It's a hole that should not have a DZ though, the rules would be so much clearer.
OB on the tee shot goes to the DZ. Which is irrelevant, because we are not talking about the tee shot.