sounds like someone is against growing the sport
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2021 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships June 22-26
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sounds like someone is against growing the sport
Chains Bailey
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Correct - my intentions are to kill the sport by stopping the huge influx of paid caddies on the horizon.
Keller
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So, we'll count up James' luck?
What luck did Paul have over 5 rounds? Or is that just all skill?
well ball golf has paid caddies
Mack eby
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If you win 5 world championships. If you win a bunch of tournaments each year and whenever your not winning and you are right their in the top 5. And you are getting the most disc golf pro tour points for 3 years straight. Then you must be the best disc golfer ever and so obviously you won 5 world championships due to skill.
And Paul does have lucky things happen to him like his 2 perfect -18 rounds had a little luck involved.
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It won't be much difference in substance than comparing their round ratings to their player ratings. I'm hoping to find a way to translate that into something probabilistic so the ace would show up strongly.
When McBeth makes a 60 foot putt is it luck? No. He regularly runs and frequently makes long putts. You expect some of them to go in.
I'm not sure there is anybody better at running the basket with a putter from 200+ feet than James Conrad. He has made that a regular feature of his game. Was it great for Conrad that it went in? Absolutely. If it had hit center pole and spit, would that have been bad luck? Not really that either.
If I throw in from 250, it's luck. When Conrad does it, it's just percentages in action.
I'm not sure there is anybody better at running the basket with a putter from 200+ feet than James Conrad. He has made that a regular feature of his game. Was it great for Conrad that it went in? Absolutely. If it had hit center pole and spit, would that have been bad luck? Not really that either.
If I throw in from 250, it's luck. When Conrad does it, it's just percentages in action.
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James himself said that he could only hit that shot about 2 out of 50 times.
desmondeby
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And that is a very small percentage.
Mack eby
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I watched an interview from the nick and Matt show with James conrad.
And he says it is a weird word (luck) bet their was some involved. He also said that if he threw that shot 50 times he might get 1 or 2 in.
And he says it is a weird word (luck) bet their was some involved. He also said that if he threw that shot 50 times he might get 1 or 2 in.
Mack eby
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What do you mean that was flat ground.
Yes it was. At altitude.
Mack eby
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I understand now
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But from that lie, he puts it on a line that has real, legit chance of hitting metal more often than most other top pros. He's gotta be the best on the tour at shaping shots with putters.
I say that based more on his entire body of work, than based on that single shot.
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Correct. That makes it improbable -- not purely lucky. And those are the best moments in sports. Ultiworld even put its take on the classic calls in sports history with the line, "in a tournament of improbable the impossible has happened..." The great moments in sports are about executing the improbable. Do football teams practice the hail Mary" pass at the end of a half or game? Sure they do. And it has to be executed to perfection to even have a slight chance of success. And it is rarely successful. Is it "lucky" when it is? Well, depends on the point-of-view. I'd say the "luck" for JC was that this happened to be one of the 1 or 2 out of 50 times he estimates he could throw it in. But that's not pure luck -- at least not any more luck than any other player. It's a shot he can execute but still needs all the stars to align for it to happen.
And for those who say Paul isn't lucky, well it's more than being the best. It's growing up in the right time period. Because I am older and have seen both play, I still believe Champ is the greatest disc golfer ever. I've seen them both play in their prime. But to those saying Paul is, just wait 20-25 years when you're my age and some youngster on whatever form social media has taken by then says to you that the "player of their generation" would smoke 'old Paul McBeth.' What will you say to them? Every era is different and every champion has some luck to win.
Mack eby
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I definitely think their are going to be better players than Paul because disc golf keeps growing and the more people playing the better the chance is to have an even better player than Paul mcbeth.
If "better" means the physical skills and attributes will be more then yes I agree. That part is simply true in every sport. Players evolve as training regimen, sport science, specialization, compensation, etc. all increase. Michael Jordan apologists still struggle with that fact 20+ years after the guy retired the second time. But that I believe will always be true.
If better means "more accomplished," "stronger mentally," better decision-maker," "more dedicated," "greater competitor + ambassador," and various other tangible and intangible components it takes to be a winner at the highest level, then THAT is yet to be seen. Maybe there will be, maybe not.
Cgkdisc
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Many elite athletes have quoted the old saw, "The more I practice, the luckier I get."
Exactly. Both James and Paul played some fantastic DG. We were treated to the kind of sports moment you remember for a lifetime.
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