2023 PDGA Champions Cup, April 20-23

[biscoe]

An auto invite? Or an auto registration? I believe Conrad WAS invited (I'm not sure it relates to being a world champion previously, I don't think it is). He just didn't register when given the opportunity.

No invite for James for this one. He did have a window in which to register though due to his rating.

My guess is a lot of players just aren't really paying much attention to this stuff. Particularly this year...when the DGPT auto-registered tour card holders...a lot of players probably just said "sweet, my DGPT tour is all taken care of" and didn't pay much attention to the Champion's Cup email telling them to go register.

Accurate.

 

[nothinbuttree]

Some of the players who DID get in, but said they had to have a buddy remind them, mentioned what seems to be the likely reason that others didn't get in. With the addition of the tour card, players were automatically signed up for DGPT elite/silver events this year. That means previous years of "I gotta sign up for this tournament, then the deadline for this one is on this day, etc" is a thing of the past. Majors aren't DGPT elite events though, so simply having a DGPT tour card doesn't necessarily mean you get to play the majors...and it doesn't sign you up automatically even if you do qualify.

This actually sounds like the most plausible reason for what has happened, makes sense to me anyway. Was not aware the process was different for majors. Needs improved going forward though. Everyone wants the best players at majors. Hopefully they can make this more clear to everyone in the future. I feel extra bad for anyone who has hired a manager to take care of things like this, and THEY dropped the ball...ouch.

 

[DanJon]

From what I've heard some player's contracts include mandatory attendance at all Majors and Elite series events (barring any injuries, emergencies, etc).

You would think that people who choose to make disc golf their full-time job would pay more attention.

 

[BillFleming]

From what I've heard some player's contracts include mandatory attendance at all Majors and Elite series events (barring any injuries, emergencies, etc).

You would think that people who choose to make disc golf their full-time job would pay more attention.

Or their sponsor should make sure the player gets signed up. But either way, the contract probably isn't totally enforceable....the players can't force TDs to let them play just because their contract says they have to play. And Mandatory attendance can be taken to be that they just have to be there....not necessarily be playing.

 

[Rastnav]

It can be simultaneously true that a) players are ultimately responsible for getting registered for tournaments, and b) the PDGA and their chosen TDs are ultimately responsible for how their event is perceived.

If you come up with a process that ends up waitlisting the guy who made the most famous shot in disc golf history, it may have been his ultimate responsibility to figure out what the process for registering for the tournament was, and doing it in a timely manner, but that hardly matters. You, as the PDGA and the TD, failed to get that guy in your tournament. The guy you wanted in your tournament. The guy you don't want people talking about because he isn't in your tournament.

Mistakes happen. We hopefully learn from them. But one has to first understand that a mistake was, in fact, made.

 

[dmoore1998]

It can be simultaneously true that a) players are ultimately responsible for getting registered for tournaments, and b) the PDGA and their chosen TDs are ultimately responsible for how their event is perceived.

If you come up with a process that ends up waitlisting the guy who made the most famous shot in disc golf history, it may have been his ultimate responsibility to figure out what the process for registering for the tournament was, and doing it in a timely manner, but that hardly matters. You, as the PDGA and the TD, failed to get that guy in your tournament. The guy you wanted in your tournament. The guy you don't want people talking about because he isn't in your tournament.

Mistakes happen. We hopefully learn from them. But one has to first understand that a mistake was, in fact, made.

Here's a question...do you think the PDGA ultimately cares at ALL if he is in the tournament? I honestly don't think they do.

 

[Nova P]

But I'd like to see it go even further - I think it'd be cool to see to it that every Pro Major winner got an invite. Worlds, USDGC, PDGA Championship, etc.

I can't wait to be invited to a FPO major because I'm the FP50 champ, but it's one which I am ineligible to compete in, because it is an FPO major.

 

[WD09]

If you come up with a process that ends up waitlisting the guy who made the most famous shot in disc golf history, it may have been his ultimate responsibility to figure out what the process for registering for the tournament was, and doing it in a timely manner, but that hardly matters. You, as the PDGA and the TD, failed to get that guy in your tournament. The guy you wanted in your tournament. The guy you don't want people talking about because he isn't in your tournament.

Mistakes happen. We hopefully learn from them. But one has to first understand that a mistake was, in fact, made.

Or if you're that guy, you understand that you failed to register for the tournament. The tournament you wanted to be in. The tournament that would give you the opportunity to win money. The tournament that would get you more exposure to promote your "brand." The tournament you don't want people talking about without talking about how well you are doing in it.

You made a mistake and didn't register on time. Hopefully you will learn from it.

 

[ChrisWoj]

I can't wait to be invited to a FPO major because I'm the FP50 champ, but it's one which I am ineligible to compete in, because it is an FPO major.

Be nice if the thing happened and the bigotry wasn't a thing.

Just saying. It'd be nice.

 

[Rastnav]

Here's a question...do you think the PDGA ultimately cares at ALL if he is in the tournament? I honestly don't think they do.

Well … they may not.

But that's an even worse look.

It's not like this is USDGC where the process is long understood. It's a brand new, created "major" that bills itself as being composed of a field that is former champions. You'd expect that would mean an automatic entry for the world champion from 2 years ago.

 

[Rastnav]

Or if you're that guy, you understand that you failed to register for the tournament. The tournament you wanted to be in. The tournament that would give you the opportunity to win money. The tournament that would get you more exposure to promote your "brand." The tournament you don't want people talking about without talking about how well you are doing in it.

You made a mistake and didn't register on time. Hopefully you will learn from it.

This doesn't seem particularly responsive to what I posted.

 

[Shallows]

Here's a question...do you think the PDGA ultimately cares at ALL if he is in the tournament? I honestly don't think they do.

Nor should they. While the DGPT has a profit incentive to work to get the best, most popular players into their tournaments, a mission-driven organization like the PDGA should not favor one member over another but treat them as equals.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Nor should they. While the DGPT has a profit incentive to work to get the best, most popular players into their tournaments, a mission-driven organization like the PDGA should not favor one member over another but treat them as equals.

This really should go without saying.

 

[Flick Maniac]

Some of the players who DID get in, but said they had to have a buddy remind them, mentioned what seems to be the likely reason that others didn't get in. With the addition of the tour card, players were automatically signed up for DGPT elite/silver events this year. That means previous years of "I gotta sign up for this tournament, then the deadline for this one is on this day, etc" is a thing of the past. Majors aren't DGPT elite events though, so simply having a DGPT tour card doesn't necessarily mean you get to play the majors...and it doesn't sign you up automatically even if you do qualify.

Brodie Smith has told the story a couple of times about signing up for the European Open (I think it was the EO) and then being refunded because he wasn't eligible at the time. My guess is a lot of players just aren't really paying much attention to this stuff. Particularly this year...when the DGPT auto-registered tour card holders...a lot of players probably just said "sweet, my DGPT tour is all taken care of" and didn't pay much attention to the Master's Cup email telling them to go register.

Buddy to remind them huh

These people surely know you can easily set reminders on your device

Without which I personally would not remember a thing

 

[dmoore1998]

Buddy to remind them huh

These people surely know you can easily set reminders on your device

Without which I personally would not remember a thing

I think the "remind" part was it was people who wrongly thought they were good to go on all their registrations via the tour card automatically registering you for DGPT events. Someone who got the email and knew they had to register ended up reminding them they had to register for the tournament in the first place. I think it was less of a timing thing and more of a "you need to do this, it doesn't happen automatically" reminder. That was the impression I got from players who had talked about it though.

 

[Flick Maniac]

Gotcha.

 

[_MTL_]

Monday Qualifier Tee Times:

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/69516

 

[TheOtherBill]

Bummer, Matty-O would have a great chance on this course.

 

[_MTL_]

Bummer, Matty-O would have a great chance on this course.

Matt is in the field.

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/64955

 

[TheOtherBill]

Me read bad - two Matts on the waitlist and my eyes saw an 'O'.