Hazards

[ru4por]

Don't let this get to you so much. I'm eating lunch and heading out for my 1st round of golf 2021. Well, not really. My first round of throwing discs at trees and the front of the basket but I'm still looking forward to it.

Lol...mostly feigned annoyance. It just take extra time to wheedle through the same posts on nearly every thread.

Thinking I will get out to league on Saturday. Not my first round this year, but first in a while. Still some snow to contend with, but courses should be in better shape for geezer play.

 

[araytx]

Shouldn't this thread be in the rules section?

 

[DavidSauls]

Don't let this get to you so much. I'm eating lunch and heading out for my 1st round of golf 2021. Well, not really. My first round of throwing discs at trees and the front of the basket but I'm still looking forward to it.

I recently played 10 holes -- I'd only played 2 rounds in 4 months, so I was delighted.

I won't mention how many times I went OB on those 10 holes.

But to make up for it, I missed putts from almost every distance.

(What can I say? It's been a rainy winter here, and at my age I rust easily)

 

[Jay Dub]

Lol...mostly feigned annoyance. It just take extra time to wheedle through the same posts on nearly every thread.

Thinking I will get out to league on Saturday. Not my first round this year, but first in a while. Still some snow to contend with, but courses should be in better shape for geezer play.

I have a course 20 minutes from me that's flat and sand based. It dries over night. I'm meeting my nephew there for a round of throwing discs at wood objects while aiming for metal.

 

[DavidSauls]

Shouldn't this thread be in the rules section?

It could be. Or in the course design thread. But the O.P. is lamenting the layouts at top pro events, so that probably qualifies it for a tournaments thread, too.

 

[Improbably]

Maybe the part of the basket that's too big could be defined as hazard . . .

 

[Steve West]

The problem is that it's simply too easy to make birdies and making bogeys is a rare thing.

I just looked at my database of scoring distributions on 5,690 holes and found that if par was set according to the definition using a 1000-rated player as the expert, the overall distribution of scores for 1000-rated players would be:

16.6% under par, 56.7% at par, and 26.6% over par.

With no change in putting.

The best players you see on video may get 38.6% / 44.3% / 20.8%. Good for them.

You cannot say that birdies are too common and bogeys too rare unless you measure against properly set par.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I just looked at my database of scoring distributions on 5,690 holes and found that if par was set according to the definition using a 1000-rated player as the expert, the overall distribution of scores for 1000-rated players would be:

16.6% under par, 56.7% at par, and 26.6% over par.

With no change in putting.

The best players you see on video may get 38.6% / 44.3% / 20.8%. Good for them.

You cannot say that birdies are too common and bogeys too rare unless you measure against properly set par.

I can't agree that holes are "par" holes though and not birdieable that's the issue with just changing par. Par should be adjusted for some holes though along with changing the hazard rule, making courses better from the start and making the basket smaller.

 

[joecoin]

...

What is your ideal birdie percentage on the avg hole? Do you like 60%?

I cannot put a numerical value on something like this.

My ideal number of birdies is however many occur.

If I hated the pro game I would never watch it.

 

[dreadlock86]

disc golf isn't ball golf and i'm pissed about it

cool story, bro

 

[wolfhaley]

cool story, bro

Totally agree. Read this bad boy front to back. Nobody gives a rats a**hole what he's even trying to get at. Mostly because it's a non issue for every level of anyone caring. Can we just landfill this for everyone's sake?

 

[DiscFifty]

Nobody gives a rats a**hole what he's even trying to get at. Mostly because it's a non issue for every level of anyone caring. Can we just landfill this for everyone's sake?

Apparently this is some merit to his posts because everyone of them results in replies ad nauseam. I honestly think he should stop posting on this site, take his comments to either the PDGA, DGPT, etc, and report back to us his findings. The fact that it appears he will never do that concludes me to think he is perhaps a pro disc golfer using this site to vent his disagreements with the sport giving him a bit of satisfaction with the banter than ensues.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I'm a sad troll who needs a hug

Strange.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Totally agree. Read this bad boy front to back. Nobody gives a rats a**hole what he's even trying to get at. Mostly because it's a non issue for every level of anyone caring. Can we just landfill this for everyone's sake?

Do you want to landfill everything you don't understand?

 

[oldmandiscer]

Apparently this is some merit to his posts because everyone of them results in replies ad nauseam. I honestly think he should stop posting on this site, take his comments to either the PDGA, DGPT, etc, and report back to us his findings. The fact that it appears he will never do that concludes me to think he is perhaps a pro disc golfer using this site to vent his disagreements with the sport giving him a bit of satisfaction with the banter than ensues.

This stuff is discussed by the top level pro golfers behind the scenes all the time, it's not about the TD's, DGPT or PDGA not getting the message, they certainly understand the issues.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I cannot put a numerical value on something like this.

My ideal number of birdies is however many occur.

If I hated the pro game I would never watch it.

You got to have some idea what a good hole is versus bad one right?

 

[Jay Dub]

This stuff is discussed by the top level pro golfers behind the scenes all the time, it's not about the TD's, DGPT or PDGA not getting the message, they certainly understand the issues.

lol OK, Mr Insider

 

[oldmandiscer]

lol OK, Mr Insider

Thanks real old man. lol

 

[dreadlock86]

Apparently this is some merit to his posts because everyone of them results in replies ad nauseam. I honestly think he should stop posting on this site, take his comments to either the PDGA, DGPT, etc, and report back to us his findings. The fact that it appears he will never do that concludes me to think he is perhaps a pro disc golfer using this site to vent his disagreements with the sport giving him a bit of satisfaction with the banter than ensues.

i was going to disagree just based on Occam's Razor but then he tells us what all the top pros, PDGA, and DGPT are saying behind the scenes ... maybe you're right.

who are some higher level open players that have a ball golf background?

 

[joecoin]

You got to have some idea what a good hole is versus bad one right?

Oh yeah, every hole with those big azz baskets on them. That's bad, real bad.