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Highbridge Hills - Wisconsin

Eh, that's just liability. If the bank OK's them using the tee and then somebody breaks and ankle over there, NOW the bank is in play in case of a lawsuit. It's just easier for them to say no, so that's what they do. They would have said no to anything you asked permission to do on the property; the best way to keep the liability risk at 0% is for no one to be on the property.
 
Everything happens when I'm gone.:\ So yesterday Johnnie apparently paid someone to spread a bunch of liquid manure on his Mile Rd lot.:sick: I guess they threw some wood into the ditch to get across. SMH
 
Everything happens when I'm gone.:\ So yesterday Johnnie apparently paid someone to spread a bunch of liquid manure on his Mile Rd lot.:sick: I guess they threw some wood into the ditch to get across. SMH

What'd he pay them with? Memberships to another sporting complex? Hard to believe dude has that much capital left...
 
Everything happens when I'm gone.:\ So yesterday Johnnie apparently paid someone to spread a bunch of liquid manure on his Mile Rd lot.:sick: I guess they threw some wood into the ditch to get across. SMH

So that's why it smelled so bad like cow poop Saturday. I thought Blueberry hole 4/7 was an odd place to have that smell be so strong...
 
Everything happens when I'm gone.:\ So yesterday Johnnie apparently paid someone to spread a bunch of liquid manure on his Mile Rd lot.:sick: I guess they threw some wood into the ditch to get across. SMH

Soooo...what would the purpose of that operation be? Revenge or something dumb like that?
 
One good thing that came from this; we found all of JJs survey markers on his Mile Rd. lots so we now know exactly where they are. He also violated a whole bunch of DNR rules and guidelines for spreading manure too close to a well, a wetland and also over sprayed 20 ft. past the property line onto MMs property. The manure spreader is in trouble for violating his own plan for spreading manure that is issued by the DNR but the land owner is ultimately responsible for what happens on their land. JJ keeps digging himself a little deeper every time he pulls one of these stupid stunts. We will hold him accountable for everything he does.:cool:
 
One good thing that came from this; we found all of JJs survey markers on his Mile Rd. lots so we now know exactly where they are. He also violated a whole bunch of DNR rules and guidelines for spreading manure too close to a well, a wetland and also over sprayed 20 ft. past the property line onto MMs property. The manure spreader is in trouble for violating his own plan for spreading manure that is issued by the DNR but the land owner is ultimately responsible for what happens on their land. JJ keeps digging himself a little deeper every time he pulls one of these stupid stunts. We will hold him accountable for everything he does.:cool:

Okay, I can't be the only one that thought of this episode...

 
Sorry!- This is a long one. TLDR version: I'm asking what is HH trying to be. We are deep into the second summer of new management and I'm curious about what is the specific vision? What is the direction?

I've been going to HH once or twice a year for the past 8 years. Tom has been a huge improvement over JJ but after my second trip of the year to HH I have some questions. I guess it boils down to one big question that I will try to explain. What is HH trying to be?

I most recently played Granite and Blueberry. I was excited to hear that Granite got a second set of baskets but after playing it there are some real head scratchers. I guess when I first started making trips to HH, much of the excitement was around playing the courses from 2007 worlds. But it has been apparent for a while now that time had passed by some of the holes at HH and I was looking forward to an upgrade and was still excited to have the option of throwing the old placements on Granite which are still super fun. Some of the new basket placements are fantastic. Some are most definitely more difficult. Some, like hole 2 don't seem more difficult but at least it is a different and very interesting and fun shot. I love it. Hole 16 however, is a real turd for serious playability. I just don't get it. A small spot of murky gross water OB right before the basket is going to play super flukey and I would be pissed if I lost a disc in that. Also I saw on hole 6 a bunch of brush was being cleared out behind the basket all the way down to the water. I assume the basket is going to be moved down closer to the water and I don't understand what the expectation is on how the hole is supposed to be played. Throw a good shot and get lucky enough to hit a tree not too soon but also not get so lucky that you miss all the trees and go sploosh? Some of these holes I can see being fun if you are cracking beers with your friends and having chuckles with your buddies when a disc goes in the water, but is that what HH is trying to be? I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just confused by what is happening on Granite. A real mixed bag. Like 6 or 7 different disc golfers of various playing skill and design experience were each given 2-3 holes to place baskets without knowing anything else about the rest of the course or what the others were doing. The new baskets on 6 and 16 are aesthetically pleasing, sure. Once they get cleaned up a little more they would probably look great on the Innova calendar but they are going to play terrible.

Another thing that bugged me slightly was some of the grass cutting off the fairways. The grass cutting has been a HUGE improvement over the JJ days, but there are many spots just off the fairway where the tall grass and other low foliage is just terrible. As an example I love the re-design for hole 3 Blueberry but the tall grass could definitely be pushed back and a brush cutter or heavy duty whip could get some of the short stuff off the right side of the fairway. There were many places on Granite and Blueberry that should have had fairway grass cut wider and low shrubbery thinned or removed. I couldn't help but think time spent on clearing Granite 6 and 16 longs would have been better spent trimming some holes better. So again I'm asking, what is HH trying to be? It is certainly still a magical place for hippies to throw frisbees in the woods and it is a fantastic place for a group of bros getaway, which I love - don't get me wrong. However, if it is trying to be a high caliber collection of courses then some of the details like trimming the sides of and off the fairways are important.

So what is HH trying to be? Is there a vision? Is there a specific vision? What are some of the specifics of how that vision will be achieved? Is there a timeline for that vision? Has the process to achieve that vision been thought through and things like time, materials, money, and man hours been estimated? I don't expect an answer to that last question but rather would just like to know if it has been studied and thought out.

It is obvious that great effort has been put in at HH and work is getting done, but I guess I'm not seeing a concerted effort at HH. JJ's mess is getting cleaned up, but it has been a year and a half now under new management and teepads are worn and cracked, tee signs could be replaced (even if temp ones) and while maintenance is certainly good enough for very playable courses it could be better, all the while there seems to be some mucking about going on. I don't expect all of these improvements to happen overnight but for the second summer of the resurrection I was expecting a start on some things like teepad and tee sign replacement.

It takes me a little under 2 hours to get to HH and I go there about once a year. If I knew that HH was trying to become more than a good cleaned up version of what it was under JJ (and knew specifically what that was) then I would probably want to go there more to help support that effort with my money. Others probably would as well.

So, what is HH trying to be?
 
Sorry!- This is a long one. TLDR version: I'm asking what is HH trying to be. We are deep into the second summer of new management and I'm curious about what is the specific vision? What is the direction?

I've been going to HH once or twice a year for the past 8 years. Tom has been a huge improvement over JJ but after my second trip of the year to HH I have some questions. I guess it boils down to one big question that I will try to explain. What is HH trying to be?

I most recently played Granite and Blueberry. I was excited to hear that Granite got a second set of baskets but after playing it there are some real head scratchers. I guess when I first started making trips to HH, much of the excitement was around playing the courses from 2007 worlds. But it has been apparent for a while now that time had passed by some of the holes at HH and I was looking forward to an upgrade and was still excited to have the option of throwing the old placements on Granite which are still super fun. Some of the new basket placements are fantastic. Some are most definitely more difficult. Some, like hole 2 don't seem more difficult but at least it is a different and very interesting and fun shot. I love it. Hole 16 however, is a real turd for serious playability. I just don't get it. A small spot of murky gross water OB right before the basket is going to play super flukey and I would be pissed if I lost a disc in that. Also I saw on hole 6 a bunch of brush was being cleared out behind the basket all the way down to the water. I assume the basket is going to be moved down closer to the water and I don't understand what the expectation is on how the hole is supposed to be played. Throw a good shot and get lucky enough to hit a tree not too soon but also not get so lucky that you miss all the trees and go sploosh? Some of these holes I can see being fun if you are cracking beers with your friends and having chuckles with your buddies when a disc goes in the water, but is that what HH is trying to be? I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just confused by what is happening on Granite. A real mixed bag. Like 6 or 7 different disc golfers of various playing skill and design experience were each given 2-3 holes to place baskets without knowing anything else about the rest of the course or what the others were doing. The new baskets on 6 and 16 are aesthetically pleasing, sure. Once they get cleaned up a little more they would probably look great on the Innova calendar but they are going to play terrible.

Another thing that bugged me slightly was some of the grass cutting off the fairways. The grass cutting has been a HUGE improvement over the JJ days, but there are many spots just off the fairway where the tall grass and other low foliage is just terrible. As an example I love the re-design for hole 3 Blueberry but the tall grass could definitely be pushed back and a brush cutter or heavy duty whip could get some of the short stuff off the right side of the fairway. There were many places on Granite and Blueberry that should have had fairway grass cut wider and low shrubbery thinned or removed. I couldn't help but think time spent on clearing Granite 6 and 16 longs would have been better spent trimming some holes better. So again I'm asking, what is HH trying to be? It is certainly still a magical place for hippies to throw frisbees in the woods and it is a fantastic place for a group of bros getaway, which I love - don't get me wrong. However, if it is trying to be a high caliber collection of courses then some of the details like trimming the sides of and off the fairways are important.

So what is HH trying to be? Is there a vision? Is there a specific vision? What are some of the specifics of how that vision will be achieved? Is there a timeline for that vision? Has the process to achieve that vision been thought through and things like time, materials, money, and man hours been estimated? I don't expect an answer to that last question but rather would just like to know if it has been studied and thought out.

It is obvious that great effort has been put in at HH and work is getting done, but I guess I'm not seeing a concerted effort at HH. JJ's mess is getting cleaned up, but it has been a year and a half now under new management and teepads are worn and cracked, tee signs could be replaced (even if temp ones) and while maintenance is certainly good enough for very playable courses it could be better, all the while there seems to be some mucking about going on. I don't expect all of these improvements to happen overnight but for the second summer of the resurrection I was expecting a start on some things like teepad and tee sign replacement.

It takes me a little under 2 hours to get to HH and I go there about once a year. If I knew that HH was trying to become more than a good cleaned up version of what it was under JJ (and knew specifically what that was) then I would probably want to go there more to help support that effort with my money. Others probably would as well.

So, what is HH trying to be?
Talk to Chuck, it's his design, his vision, his redesign.

There are 90 overgrown fairways that haven't been touched since 2007 besides mowing. There are three of us. We're just trying to survive until help arrives. You do the math.
 
Patience, darkgreen. What if his goal for it is to make it the best version of itself possible---"possible" being, within the constraints of time and labor?

My experience with a private course is that it takes time. Routine maintenance (mowing) consumes most of the available time, particularly in summer. Progress (design improvements, removing branches) takes time. Sometimes it feels like no headway is being made but, after a while you look back, and see how far you've come.
 
Also I saw on hole 6 a bunch of brush was being cleared out behind the basket all the way down to the water. I assume the basket is going to be moved down closer to the water and I don't understand what the expectation is on how the hole is supposed to be played.
Don't ever assume that you know what we're doing up here. You will be wrong. It was done for aesthetic reasons only, the basket will not be moved. The expectation is that it will be a prettier hole with a view of the pond. Idiot.:rolleyes:
 
Is it just me - or didn't Granite Ridge 6 used to have a pin position down the hill near the water? Darkgreen is acting like that's something awful, but he's also opined on the joy of playing the courses as they were in the beginning. This seems to be a case where things are going back to the beginning. (edit: I just saw daCrippler's post on aesthetics - so I guess it isn't going back to that)

Maybe I'm wrong. But I remember playing a pin position down near the water multiple times in 2006.
 
In disc golf terms, I would say Mountain Man has been taking an understable operation and is still in the process of restabilizing it. What funding is available is going towards maintenance, and most importantly, re-establishing the campground area at the west end of the hill. The Pro Shop is stocking up on Highbridge and course logo items to help generate some funds. When volunteer help is available, the necessary Blueberry redesign will be completed with new baskets coming by Fall. Bear will be eventually getting several new holes when volunteer time is available and then... there are several hopes that will eventually become more organized plans. You'll just have to stay tuned.

An X-factor is what will happen and/or who will be involved with the Honka house when that gets resolved. The Jokinen property along County C may come into play, possibly with a disc golf favorable new owner or neutral owner. Big picture, at least five courses (both tournament and fun level), hybrid courses, putter style layouts, i.e., Chestnut 2.0, leagues, and tournaments. A solid campground operation is key and eventually cabins for rentals as the half dozen property owners near the new campground decide to invest in buildings.
 

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