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Good luck learning to better your technique with your (insert high speed driver).
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jrawk
* Ace Member *
maybe Feldberg and Climo were trying to promote their signature discs? (Boss, wraith, firebird, etc)
^^LOL
I disc down for practice and play when Im working on a form issue. Not going to do any better in competition with faster discs while throwing like crap.
My rounds vary at most 3 strokes when Im using just my mids and putters.
I disc down for practice and play when Im working on a form issue. Not going to do any better in competition with faster discs while throwing like crap.
My rounds vary at most 3 strokes when Im using just my mids and putters.
Top pros support dd'n, they just dont support a snide version.
Both carry fairway drivers and learned from slower drivers. Ask them how far they throw tb's.
Dd'n isnt just for cleaning oat . If wholeheartly followed, one should have learned good course management, versitility of their discs, and how height effects distance. Anytime you are working on changing your form, the results will be observed much easier for most with a slower disc they can consistantly get a full flight from.
DD is a tool for those that arent satisfied with their game. In competitive play, a smart golfer should usually play their percentages.
Slowroll, i feel that you are always trying to disprove dd :|
Both carry fairway drivers and learned from slower drivers. Ask them how far they throw tb's.
Dd'n isnt just for cleaning oat . If wholeheartly followed, one should have learned good course management, versitility of their discs, and how height effects distance. Anytime you are working on changing your form, the results will be observed much easier for most with a slower disc they can consistantly get a full flight from.
DD is a tool for those that arent satisfied with their game. In competitive play, a smart golfer should usually play their percentages.
Slowroll, i feel that you are always trying to disprove dd :|
This. Discing down is a technique used to get yourself familiar with the mechanics, once you are familiar (by familiar, I mean at the level you want to improve to, because once you disc up, improvement rates drop off a lot) with them, throw whatever gets you closest most often. The "rules" change then.
The big problem is everyone thinks discing down should be done for a lifetime. It's a training technique, like athletes wearing weighted vests underneath their uniforms during practice season to build speed. They don't keep wearing them once it's time for the regular season. The same applies to discing down.
another thing: they say that they disc up for consistency because faster and more stable discs fly more consistently once you have a consistent throw. They're less affected by wind. The thing about discing down is, once again, actually building a consistent throw.
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Norcal
Par Member
I'd add that faster discs can encourage bad form, especially in new players.
I'd add that neutral fairway drivers, mids, and putters are far easier to control than high speed drivers. Fast drivers are subject to radical skips they're difficult to land flat. It's much easier to throw a pure line with a slower disc.
Of course they don't throw their putters on 300'+ drives.. they don't have an Anode in their bag.
These are neither lessons where discing down is required, nor are they inherent benefits of discing down. Sorry, that's just propaganda.
If you want to learn course management, take your whole bag to a course when its empty and throw as many lines as you can find on lots of different holes until you lock in the high % line.
If you want to learn about a single mold's versatility, take that mold to a field and throw it 100 times...that's not discing down, that's just practicing.
Same thing for height affecting distance, just take ANY disc and practice different release angles and nose angles until you've mastered it.
mjoyce
Birdie Member
I look at discing down similarly to learning a musical instrument. You're not going to pick up a guitar today and learn to play Pantera on your first day. No you're going to start with the basics. I think discing down is like going back to the basics. It's much easier to get a slower more neutral disc to turn over.
Yes you could take your fastest most stable driver to a field and throw it 100 times and learn the disc. But if your form sucks you're only going to learn that you can throw that disc on a short hyzer. Unless you always throw that disc with an anhyzer release. Then you'll get some distance out of that disc but you may sacrifice your form and control with other discs by doing this.
Maybe not everyone needs to disc down. But it's probably beneficial to periodically check your form by driving your putters/neutral mids in a field or on an empty course.
As others have stated. It's practice. You're training with the slower neutral discs so that you can develop consistent form with a clean release.
Yes you could take your fastest most stable driver to a field and throw it 100 times and learn the disc. But if your form sucks you're only going to learn that you can throw that disc on a short hyzer. Unless you always throw that disc with an anhyzer release. Then you'll get some distance out of that disc but you may sacrifice your form and control with other discs by doing this.
Maybe not everyone needs to disc down. But it's probably beneficial to periodically check your form by driving your putters/neutral mids in a field or on an empty course.
As others have stated. It's practice. You're training with the slower neutral discs so that you can develop consistent form with a clean release.
garublador
* Ace Member *
Except it's much more difficult to do with faster discs. It's much easier to learn to throw slower discs high and nose down than it is faster discs.
Climo has the Roc, Aviar and Teebird, too.
Original post quoted for reference.
Good morning craftsman. I did not offer my opinion in the original post because I didn't want to lead people towards one opinion or the other. I instead shared something interesting and asked all of you what you thought of the comments made by Ken and Dave. I found their comments to be very interesting and thought some of you may as well. Ken has all of the knowledge from his years of high level play but sometimes has trouble with the communication aspect of teaching. Dave on the other hand has a great handle on how to communicate the concepts of discgolf but is sometimes viewed as arrogant and dislikable. Both men however know what they are talking about and we would be wise to listen to them.
My own opinion(since you seem to have called me out on the carpet) is that discing down is a tool to teach people that they can throw discs that do not need as much room to maneuver. The putters and mids do not wash out as much so you get a straighter flight and on some holes that is a real benefit. Discing down is also a good tool to teach players that the big speed numbers on their discs don't mean much unless you can actually get them up to that speed. My Valkyrie and beat in Surge have all been able to go as far for me as any Boss, Katana, or Nuke I've tried. That has been my experience.
I throw my Wizards about 200', Drone 250', and Buzzz 270' and for me, that is enough. I hear what you all are saying but I don't see enough of a reason to hamstring myself by attempting to play entire rounds with just these slow discs. Honestly I'm not really sure who you people are that have infinite time to play all these practice rounds with just mids and putters in addition to playing competitive rounds with your full bag. I'm at a point in my life where I am lucky if I get to play twice a week. I'm certainly not going to spend those few rounds being miserable because I only brought 1/3rd of my bag with me.
But I am no pro. Anyone that has played with me on here can verify that I am what I say I am. An amatuer that can shoot near even par on courses he's never seen before. I'm no prize winner, but I'm no dummy either. Discgolf for me is a way to decompress. Life is hard, work is hard, discgolf is supposed to be for fun and that's all I want it to be anymore.
God bless.
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JoshEpoo
* Ace Member *
How much time you have to play will obviously dictate what you want to do. I wouldn't worry about my technique or disc'n down too much if I was lucky to get in a round or two a week.
I play enough that half the time my buddies and I end up concocting mini-games that involve a limited number of discs or unnecessarily difficult mandos/tee positions when we're at our home courses. Disc'n down doesn't have to be as boring as going out to a field and torturing yourself with comets and putters for weeks on end. I do it on occasion to keep the game fresh and entertaining.
How many rounds have the pros played with beginners and rec players this year? How many completely packed parks of chuckers have they waded through to get a round in? How many guys throwing an Ape 50ft forward and 70ft left have they waited on as they took 6 throws to play an open 250ft hole?
We're on the front lines of newbness and the pros are out of touch with reality if they or anyone else thinks that the fastest way to learn disc golf is to pack your bag up with 30 discs and go hit the course. I don't care how good they are, being great at something doesn't mean you know the best way for others to learn or that you can teach them any better than a guy who sucks.
How many professional players in other sports go on to be great coaches and teachers of the game?
When I started I was throwing a Wraith at 200ft holes and it wasn't until I came on this site and heard of discing down that I realized what I was doing was counterproductive. When I hit 350' and couldn't go any further I again disced down and went back to TLs to get more distance and work on my form. Now I don't even have anything faster than a speed 9 disc in my bag because where I live, 450' is quite enough.
We're on the front lines of newbness and the pros are out of touch with reality if they or anyone else thinks that the fastest way to learn disc golf is to pack your bag up with 30 discs and go hit the course. I don't care how good they are, being great at something doesn't mean you know the best way for others to learn or that you can teach them any better than a guy who sucks.
How many professional players in other sports go on to be great coaches and teachers of the game?
When I started I was throwing a Wraith at 200ft holes and it wasn't until I came on this site and heard of discing down that I realized what I was doing was counterproductive. When I hit 350' and couldn't go any further I again disced down and went back to TLs to get more distance and work on my form. Now I don't even have anything faster than a speed 9 disc in my bag because where I live, 450' is quite enough.
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very insightful. a little early in the morning for that isnt it?
JoshEpoo
* Ace Member *
Ha, New is indeed making a good point :clap:
From personal experience, learning to throw a midrange high and nose down isn't going to teach you how to throw a speed 13 the same way.
Also, even if I grant you that point, it still doesn't disprove what I said. Craftsmans post stated nothing inherent or unique to discing down. Even if it IS more difficult, it's far from impossible.
Uh, we're talking about Climo and Feldberg who are great teachers of this game...
Also, like any sane person, I'd trust them more over an internet forum of amateurs (150% including myself in the latter grouping).
I don't know I'd say I'm like a genius/prodigy of disc golf information.
Just gonna bold out this point so everyone notices.
garublador
* Ace Member *
So what's the argument? You're just saying that there's a slight possibility that someone might be able to learn to throw high and nose down without the use of slower discs even though a vast majority will never learn it that way? Being "technically right" is next to useless in situations like this where you're giving general advice. Technically you don't need any advice from anyone to learn to throw 500', but that's an awful reason to not try to help anyone learn.
are you trying to make sense to this guy??
