Power Pocket and Arc-My new video

[Tinkles]

opcorn:

I wish I had watched that first video a while ago but who knows, maybe I did and just did not digest it. It reminds me a lot of the arm-swing illusion in regular golf. You think you are seeing x but the arms stay in front of your body and really go more up and down rather than side to side. But, like you guys are saying, sometimes its just timing or getting to a point on your journey that things start clicking. I feel like I finally have enough of a foundation of really understanding the basics to start getting value from all this.

I think though, that there must be a better way to package up the basics for a newb. I feel like I could explain it to a novice in 10 minutes, but I have not been able to get my buddies who started 8 months ago with me to pick it up. Step out with right foot turned slightly in, feel the hip turn and weight shift, keep disc in front of you, shoulder closed, elbow high, pulling into pocket and then step on the gas and clamp down on your grip. Easy peasy right?

Thanks for all the effort you put in here SW

 

[sidewinder22]

Yeah totally. The forearm ejects out on its own for me if I'm focused on getting deep into the pocket. It's definitely not something I'm thinking about "punching" out. That's why I love the phrase: "inward pull, outward ejection" which I think BW coined himself.

AFAIK it was really Dave Dunipace. Injection and ejection and disc pivot and working from the hit back.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/distancesecrets.shtml

I prefer to not use the word "pull" at all in regard to the arm - to me pulling inward means that your upper arm is opening up like Brad calls flapping.

I prefer say the disc swings in and out of your center from the elbow.

 

[sidewinder22]

I think that's his diagram too from Rhatton1's post.

The Mike C Wide Rail diagram is Rhatton1's.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

I originally diagrammed the MikeC, and then Richard did the illustration of the disc and hand.

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

Well thanks everyone again... cooperative genius.

 

[sidewinder22]

Steve Rico is one of the best spin putters ever and goes into full extension err "flapping". The trail side actually Counter Rotates in order to leverage/extend the release forward!

If your trail side rotates around the front side, then you would be collapsing into the arm instead of extending it away from you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyD1ynQrh4#t=3m26s

 

[RFrance]

One thing I've found out for me is that the BW videos look great and then I go to the field and practice them and everything goes haywire for a couple of weeks or more. This time I stopped after about 10 throws and went back to what SW, SP, and others have been discussing in the Form Analysis and my throw felt good again. Particularly I've been working on getting to the Finish Position and things are coming together and feeling more balanced. I like that progression method better than the quick fix.

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[RFrance]

You can also see that Sepo maintains the tilted plane of rotation while the "player on the left" has crossed or smashed through the plane.

The Ball Striking and Body Rotation video https://youtu.be/MIo12LOZiY0?t=219 you posted has a great graphic sequence of the tilted spiral.

 

[sidewinder22]

You can also see that Sepo maintains the tilted plane of rotation while the "player on the left" has crossed or smashed through the plane.

 

[sidewinder22]

Someone thinks the camera angles are 90 degrees off on my video(I originally did too), so here's the alternative which I think makes less sense. The pelvis/spine would be tilted heavily over the front leg, and the fist wouldn't extend closer to the target than the elbow as the shoulder and elbow would retract away from the target.

https://i.imgur.com/2aA3VE5.png

 

[todvan]

Keerect.

Elbow forward, or "elbowing the door down" usually becomes SHOULDER OPEN, ELBOW RIGHT, ARM RIGHT, NOSE UP HEYSER...

Aha!

 

[warmuth]

Aha!

Or in my case release flat and turn over a driver 250 feet. I've watched a ton of SW and others vids and read a ton of posts here trying to figure out how to not round and strong arm. For some reason the disc travels in a straight line was the first bug I got in my head when I started to learn. Now I at least realize that a big part of the issue is probably that I clear the front shoulder out of the way to try to move it straight. Doesn't matter what angle my arm is in relation to my shoulder, I just spin out trying to move the disc straight. I've seen SW make the point of the curved path the disc takes in diagrams but never really understood it without the discussion in this thread.

 

[treekickluv]

Something i allways wonder is: do i have to extend my shoulder forward? With that i do not mean bend my back and rotate my shoulders. The shoulder blade itself.

 

[trasf]

Something i allways wonder is: do i have to extend my shoulder forward? With that i do not mean bend my back and rotate my shoulders. The shoulder blade itself.

Shrugging?

https://youtu.be/AX-Bjd53Fv8

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

Didn't watch the vid but Rhatton1 always has solid advice so thumbs up on that. Whatever he says haha. I'm not the best "form advice" guy.. I don't think you should be trying to mess with you shoulder, everything should flow from the bottom up. This thread helped me put together what my arm(s?) should be doing at the end of the whip, that you have built from the legs on through.

If you really want to have fun and mess around, try punching down and frontwards at a 45 degree angle, in tight to your body, with your off arm when you are just about to throw. It gets your shoulder and body rotating in a way that's more shoulder leading rather than following. Be prepared for some releases that are 30 degrees off from normal but with extra ooomph.

 

[sidewinder22]

Extended bench press or jab or pass would be protracted shoulder.

Shoulder gets pulled taut into protraction when you let it dangle and swing centrifugally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYGzTlVetQ#t=7m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eWfwpahfk#t=3m24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGudQYfjD8#t=64s

When you say pull, I think of the elbow bending instead of extending, and bringing the disc into the body. There is only a slight pull in the swing or guiding the disc into the power zone to load up.

When the elbow extends out of the power zone, it's pushing away from the body like throwing a jab or extending a bench press. You can't pull something away from your body very well. If you pass a basketball to someone you spring/push it away from you somewhat like a golf disc.

 

[treekickluv]

Extended bench press or jab or pass would be protracted shoulder.

Shoulder gets pulled taut into protraction when you let it dangle and swing centrifugally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYGzTlVetQ#t=7m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eWfwpahfk#t=3m24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGudQYfjD8#t=64s

im allways cautious for injury and having a muscle at its limits and then applying force to it is not a sustainable solution for me. i assume you mean the shoulder should be protracted when you start accelerating? im well aware that the upper arm should never move far away from 90 degrees of your shoulders. aka hugging yourself or ''strong arming''

 

[sidewinder22]

im allways cautious for injury and having a muscle at its limits and then applying force to it is not a sustainable solution for me. i assume you mean the shoulder should be protracted when you start accelerating? im well aware that the upper arm should never move far away from 90 degrees of your shoulders. aka hugging yourself or ''strong arming''

Yes it starts protracted like door frame drill/hammer throw and remains pulled taut until you release and then follow thru. It's not really using the muscle or near max range of motion. You have to let go of the muscle, dingle arm it.

 

[treekickluv]

Yes it starts protracted like door frame drill/hammer throw and remains pulled taut until you release and then follow thru. It's not really using the muscle or near max range of motion. You have to let go of the muscle, dingle arm it.

so if im hugging myself in the throw is an indicator that im having the disc too close to my body where i begin the throw?