[MVP] MVP Tangent

[Mike C]

In calm conditions the Tangent will pretty much be capable of any midrange line you need.

 

[inbounds]

great job inbounds.

Quick question?.....Do you have any plans on making justifications or labels for the two different runs of the Shock. I know there distinct difference in the flight of the FR and the Latest run.

Thanks

We have revised flight data for the retooled Shocks. As the new Shocks start rolling out, we'll update the flight chart to reflect the retooled shocks. Considering the limited amount of time that the original tooling was in circulation, in the long-term, not too terribly much will be gained by keeping a separate set of flight values for the original tooling.

Your site is such an invaluable tool. It's miles better than any flight numbers or the Marshall Street flight chart, IMO. Great job!

Thank you

Looking good. How do you determine the distance stat though?

Originally, the distance values were derived from reverse engineering the formulas used by manufacturers and retailers and we fine-tuned them from there. I'm thinking about adding a "Mike C" multiplier to the inFlight Guide that increases distance shown by 20%

My only critical comment with the Inbounds charts for MVP is that the turn is too quick... I'd wanna see a longer "push" before the turn begins. I've been charting a few MVP paths myself, and the quick turn on these always strikes me as off. Might warrant a template of its own, seeing as how the entire lineup works on a slightly different set of physics than other rated discs. Inbounds knows I'm a fan of their stuff so this should be taken with all well-meaning that I intend

A valid criticism and I think it applies to more than just MVP. Before we release the 2013 book, we're going to revisit our algorithm to possibly address that portion of disc flight.

Do you guys (anyone who does these charts) have a machine that spins and throws these discs at a constant rate? Repeatability would be the key word here....... Just curious.

Our flight values are aggregated from numerous sources (see the details for the
Relative Stability Scale ). As ZAM said, I would suspect that for most (likely all) of the flight ratings, the machines that are spinning and throwing are people that have a background in throwing consistently and reliably.

 

[UnitedPuppySlayer]

Originally, the distance values were derived from reverse engineering the formulas used by manufacturers and retailers and we fine-tuned them from there. I'm thinking about adding a "Mike C" multiplier to the inFlight Guide that increases distance shown by 20%

Mike's distance is alright at best...

(completely forgot to add distances yesterday. :wall

 

[Birdie30]

In calm conditions the Tangent will pretty much be capable of any midrange line you need.

Got my Tangent today and couldn't agree more with Mike!
The tangent is a great mid-range. I took it out today and went to a park not to far from the house that has some nice tree shots and wide open shots. The Tangent out performed my expectations. I could put it on any line I needed. Even had about 15 mph winds and the 176g Tangent couldn't be stopped. Get some wind under it and it glides for days. Cant wait to get it beat in!

 

[Moify]

I can't wait to hyzer-flip the Tangent. I can usually push my Fuse out past 300' with a big flip after it turns a good bit, but if the Tangent can come level and just stay on the line that'd be better for a control mid.

It does, however, sound like the Fuse still might be a little bit more workable. That is, more capable of getting turn at any point in it's flight. If the Tangent has late HST like the Axis, I don't know that it'd be replacing my Fuse (for those lines anyways).

 

[discspeed]

The Tangent doesn't compare very well to the Fuse as they have more differences than similarities. The Fuse is faster, longer, more understable, and more nose angle sensitive. Besides a couple of brand new max weight Optos, the Fuse can't really take a flat release. It needs to be worked from hyzer. The Tangent is a truer flyer, one that you gently put on the line you want rather than something you snap up from hyzer out of your hand. When powered I get shots that turn late with almost no fade.

 

[Moify]

Thanks, DiscSpeed. That's encouraging. I would love to keep both the Fuse and Tangent in my bag.

... now I just have to wait for the 2nd run Shocks to come out and I'll get both xD

 

[Um...]

The Tangent doesn't compare very well to the Fuse as they have more differences than similarities. The Fuse is faster, longer, more understable, and more nose angle sensitive. Besides a couple of brand new max weight Optos, the Fuse can't really take a flat release. It needs to be worked from hyzer. The Tangent is a truer flyer, one that you gently put on the line you want rather than something you snap up from hyzer out of your hand. When powered I get shots that turn late with almost no fade.

Well said discspeed. I've had a chance to throw the Tangent and think that description is spot on.

Thanks, DiscSpeed. That's encouraging. I would love to keep both the Fuse and Tangent in my bag.

This could definitely work, but don't be surprised if the Tangent eventually boots the Fuse out. It's THAT workable.

 

[Monkeypaws]

Wow, this is starting to look like the Magic Bullet.

 

[Mad Scientist]

As a Buzzz thrower, what can I expect to be different about the Tangent?

 

[Aim For The Chains]

slower, more turn, less fade..

Its like a comet/buzz hybrid lol'

 

[discspeed]

As a Buzzz thrower, what can I expect to be different about the Tangent?

Pretty much every thing will be different...As is often mentioned, for a midrange the Buzzz flies very driver-like. In contrast, for a midrange the Tangent flies very putter-like. So while you can shape the two discs to do some of the approximate same lines, their strengths/weaknesses are almost diametrically opposite. So I think it would compliment the Buzzz well, shoring up it's weaknesses (too fast for approach, wants to fly low, doesn't float/glide great on anny, etc). The N Axis I throw is to a Buzzz in many respects, so I can attest to this personally.

 

[Titan037]

Pretty much every thing will be different...As is often mentioned, for a midrange the Buzzz flies very driver-like. In contrast, for a midrange the Tangent flies very putter-like. So while you can shape the two discs to do some of the approximate same lines, their strengths/weaknesses are almost diametrically opposite. So I think it would compliment the Buzzz well, shoring up it's weaknesses (too fast for approach, wants to fly low, doesn't float/glide great on anny, etc). The N Axis I throw is to a Buzzz in many respects, so I can attest to this personally.

Hmmm I like putter flight, may have to pair a tangent with some of my mids and putters.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

The N Axis I throw is to a Buzzz in many respects, so I can attest to this personally.

I agree, very much so but somehow, it's better than I remember a buzzz flying

 

[Um...]

Hmmm I like putter flight, may have to pair a tangent with some of my mids and putters.

It reminds me a lot of a longer Anode. I'm guessing the Anode will be the odd man out of my bag once the Tangent is in, as I really only use the Anode for upshots and approaches. The Tangent powers down very nicely to cover these shots.

 

[Titan037]

It reminds me a lot of a longer Anode. I'm guessing the Anode will be the odd man out of my bag once the Tangent is in, as I really only use the Anode for upshots and approaches. The Tangent powers down very nicely to cover these shots.

A longer anode huh? awesome. My soft anode is my go to putter. I have been looking high and low for a good slow approach disc. I think I may have found it in the tangent.

 

[Rogue9]

Pretty much every thing will be different...As is often mentioned, for a midrange the Buzzz flies very driver-like. In contrast, for a midrange the Tangent flies very putter-like. So while you can shape the two discs to do some of the approximate same lines, their strengths/weaknesses are almost diametrically opposite. So I think it would compliment the Buzzz well, shoring up it's weaknesses (too fast for approach, wants to fly low, doesn't float/glide great on anny, etc). The N Axis I throw is to a Buzzz in many respects, so I can attest to this personally.

I am actually unclear on that last sentence. Are you saying that your N Axis is like a buzz?

 

[Titan037]

I am actually unclear on that last sentence. Are you saying that your N Axis is like a buzz?

that would be a yes.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

to me the flat N axis are even straighter than the buzzz and more forward fade but also do not flip as easy or as much as a beat-in buzz from a hyzer release. They are more point and shoot midrange like where the buzzz has a driver feel IMO. Tangents are very putter like. It has been compared to a Pure but more workable and slower.

 

[Mike C]

In my experience driving Anode and Tangents I would say Anodes have a 0 hss and Tangents would have -1 to -.75. My N axis has 0 hss too so it pairs well with those.

Also threw Oak Ledges in Massillon with my buddy and had a ton of great Tangent drives. Should have the round uploaded within a few days. It's the perfect type of course for this disc.