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2014 Texas State Championships NT

Didn't they do Manor, Met Center, and Roy G last year? I was out of the country at the time.

Old Settlers wouldn't be my first pick of Austin courses for sure.

Roy G
Manor
Circle C
Bible Ridge
Williamson County Park
North Town

All good options.

I'd like to see the pros tackle the Brushy Creek Sports Park nine hole. Talk about a brutal, technical course.
 
The OB in some of those hole designs appears to be too restrictive, especially for the wind. Anyone know if these OB lines have been played before on these holes to test them in a lower tier event? Seems like this kind of scoring on holes should not be expected on holes used in Super tour and higher events if the hole layouts and OB rules had been tested in advance. Penalties in PGA events are rarely more than 1% of the scores.

I've been watching these threads with interest. The exact same layout was played at the Texas States Am event two weeks ago. This time of year Texas is known for different weather every day. We had that same thing. Friday, strong sustained winds at about 25, but not much gusts, and out of the south. The course basically heads north and south (in a circle) save a few transition holes. SO we were throwing against the wind on holes 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, & 13b; with the wind on 2, 3, 10a, 11, 13a, 15, 16, & 17. So only 5 holes had crosswind.

On Saturday we had lighter wind out of the north, but pretty consistent misty rain and/or drizzle. It was actually very foggy tee-ing off in the morning and the fog didn't burn off until afternoon. Saturday evening a cold front came through, so Sunday we had gusty winds out of the north, 30+mph and colder, around 40-48 degrees as opposed to 70s & 60s the two previous days.

It's a 602ft. par 3.. I'm pretty sure that one is a misassignment. With lots of OB and moderate winds, I don't see how that one can actually play as a par 3.

Disclaimer -- just one guy's opinion.
There are two holes in a row with a similar pattern of artificial OB, but with markedly different distances. Holes 6 and 7 both create a much skinnier lane of inbounds to the left of the normal fairway with a wide open nearly circular section around the basket (larger than the 10m circle). Hole 6's first shot is also about 15 ft down hill b/c of an elevated tee. Against the wind it is a tough 3 for RHBH, because you have to negotiate the OB, and it's "as the crow flies 602ft" that becomes about 680 because any dead straight shot that lands between 280 feet and 500 feet is over the artificial OB. So you have to throw into the open section to the left about 340-360 or so to leave yourself a comfortable approach that doesn't risk OB, i.e., the approach is 100% over inbounds. (No one dared go for the circle off the tee in that notorious Old Settlers' wind.) If you're much shorter than 350-ft or so, (which the wind might cause), you can still reach the basket but going down the inbounds lane gets much trickier because of trees & bushes further down the fairway that you have to negotiate -- unless you're left-handed or have a big forehand. If you're shorter it's actually a much easier shot for a righty to power hyzer to the right of a big hole-defining tree but that shot is nearly a 100% carry over the artificial OB, PLUS you have to hyzer out BEFORE your disc gets over the course boundary. SO against the wind this hole can be tough for RHBH players.
 
I was there all day today. Crazy wind (which is actually pretty standard on this course) but also extra difficult because of all the extra ob they marked on the course.

Ricky's round was just insane these conditions.

Uli threw a full on tantrum after going ob twice on 18. Nikko was cussing up a storm, calling this the worst tournament ever. Feldberg was whining a lot, too. I know Schusterick got at least 2, maybe 3 8's. I saw Sarah Hoakam throw a disc pretty far into the lake. I think a lot of guys were really frustrated with the wind today, especially since yesterday when everyone was practicing there was almost no wind and it was 72 degrees outside.

Uli threw OB on his drive, was inbounds by about 1/5th of a disc on the upshot, and banged the putt for 4p. He had just eagled 17 and was looking for a birdie to secure a 59.

Also lol @ "tantrum"...I caddied for my boy Drew Gibson today and from firsthand experience can say Uli was a great sportsman and the whole card enjoyed the round.

In other DGCR letdown news, the bishop and Williams feud was avoided because played with the 12:00 card instead. I don't know any other details on that.
 
anyone want to bet plastic that Uli isnt even on the chase card after tomorrows round? Dude couldnt finish if his life depended on it, too busy buying and selling to noobs on fb

I'm a noob - if you say so. I bought an M5 than he and Cat signed. I'll take your bet too, or are you just going to hide after bashing him. I'm guessing you throw putters 450' into the wind too.
 
Point of order... ALL OB IS ARTIFICIAL. Whether it is lakes or sidewalks or roads or fences or haybales or rope, it's ALL ARTIFICIAL. Someone is deciding where the OB goes whether they're designing a hole around/near/over water or a road, or if they're taking an open field and carving out OB areas with lengths of rope.

Everyone is playing the same course. Oh boo hoo, the weather conditions changed from practice to game time, and now what worked yesterday isn't working today. Adjust your game, don't blame the course.
 
Uli threw a full on tantrum after going ob twice on 18. Nikko was cussing up a storm, calling this the worst tournament ever. Feldberg was whining a lot, too. .
Uli threw OB on his drive, was inbounds by about 1/5th of a disc on the upshot, and banged the putt for 4p. He had just eagled 17 and was looking for a birdie to secure a 59.

Also lol @ "tantrum"...I caddied for my boy Drew Gibson today and from firsthand experience can say Uli was a great sportsman and the whole card enjoyed the round.

Kinda had a feeling Uli didn't blow up in that sense. Nikko, though, I believe that one. And we've already seen Feldberg complaining on Twitter.

All that said, I understand their gripes. It's not easy to score in the wind. BUT, you're a top-level touring pro!

anyone want to bet plastic that Uli isnt even on the chase card after tomorrows round? Dude couldnt finish if his life depended on it, too busy buying and selling to noobs on fb

I'll take that bet. What are do you have to put down? I'm a fan of stiff wizards, kc rocs, teebirds, firebirds, destroyers and pd2's.

Yes, what would you like to bet.

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Point of order... ALL OB IS ARTIFICIAL. Whether it is lakes or sidewalks or roads or fences or haybales or rope, it's ALL ARTIFICIAL. Someone is deciding where the OB goes whether they're designing a hole around/near/over water or a road, or if they're taking an open field and carving out OB areas with lengths of rope.

Calm down. It's just semantics. We lefties have enough going against us, no need to stir the proverbial pot.
 
Everyone is playing the same course. Oh boo hoo, the weather conditions changed from practice to game time, and now what worked yesterday isn't working today. Adjust your game, don't blame the course.
That assumes all holes/courses are equally good for competition for elite players under the range of common conditions experienced there. A fundamental premise of this site is that there are holes/courses better than others. OB positioning and rules (rethrow vs drop zone vs last point IB)) may not even be appropriate under calm conditions let alone windier conditions.

It's hard to tell looking at overall scores which can mask the weak holes. But if the scores on a specific hole has a weak or even negative correlation with player rating, it did not do a good job rewarding skill versus random results.
 
Calm down. It's just semantics. We lefties have enough going against us, no need to stir the proverbial pot.

I kinda want to stir the pot, though. It's an aesthetics thing for most folks, but fundamentally, roped OB is the exact same thing as an OB marked by a sidewalk or road or a body of water. It's a design choice and an element of the course that is the same for everyone. It's time to get over the stigma of rope OB. It's been around for a while now, and it's not going away until there is a much bigger influx of cash into course building and design, if ever.


And Chuck, I get all that. My reaction is more to the nature of the complaints than whether or not there's a case to be made analytically about the holes. These players seem to whine only when things don't go their way, so I'm not prepared to buy into the idea that they're truly analyzing the design in depth. If they shoot scores like Ricky and Uli and McBeast, they're happy. Shoot scores like Feldberg and Koling did, especially when someone does what Ricky did and makes their slightly less than average scores look even worse, and they turn into crybabies. Doesn't matter the course or its quality, it's just the nature of a lot of these guys. Good shots are because of their skill, bad shots are because of the course.
 
Playing in Austin, I think that there are better courses there and that is only a few miles south. Circle C and Roy G. Guerrero are top caliber courses. All props to Ricky for handling the conditions but this isn't the type of course that I am excited about.

Unfortunately a lot of the better courses in Austin like CC and Roy G are not available for 3 day events. Or so I hear...

Austin golf isn't for everyone. Cedars, rocks and wind aren't a touring pros friend. The pros already hated on Manor last year. I do think Met C would be more up their ally. It has lots of OB(creek) and wind, but the landing zones are approachable from a variety of shots depending on the weather
 
Uli threw OB on his drive, was inbounds by about 1/5th of a disc on the upshot, and banged the putt for 4p. He had just eagled 17 and was looking for a birdie to secure a 59.

Also lol @ "tantrum"...I caddied for my boy Drew Gibson today and from firsthand experience can say Uli was a great sportsman and the whole card enjoyed the round.

In other DGCR letdown news, the bishop and Williams feud was avoided because played with the 12:00 card instead. I don't know any other details on that.

Fair enough, he wasn't cussing and screaming the way Nikko was, but he repeatedly pounded his fists into his disc and slammed his disc back into his caddy's backpack, making a big show of the whole thing.

But bottom line, pretty much everyone was frustrated yesterday. Big Jerm is one of the nicest guys I've met, and he almost lost it on 16.
 
Anybody know if The Disc Golf Guy followed one of the cards yesterday and is doing the video/commentary thing again a la the Memorial?
 
I heard from our camera guy the the Dg guy was filming Ricky's card. Our man Stu filmed mcbeth's card. I'll get some footage up as soon as I can.
 
Fair enough, he wasn't cussing and screaming the way Nikko was, but he repeatedly pounded his fists into his disc and slammed his disc back into his caddy's backpack, making a big show of the whole thing..


so prodigy discs are pretty durable and can take a beating?
 
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