[Help] Driver advice for 400' power

[codyb91]

Hello! I have recently started throwing with a bit more power and I'm seeking advice. I had previously been using a saint and could consistently throw it about 350 with decent accuracy. Now I've gotten to where I am turning it over and I don't want to rely on throwing a major hyzer flip to expand my range because it seems to drop my accuracy/consistency. I'd rather up my disc stability so I can keep throwing with consistent mechanics.
I bought a sword, and have had a lot of trouble getting a good release with the rim width. I managed to park a hole that was completely flat and a touch over 400' (that's where I'm getting my estimated arm strength from). But again, the width just doesn't feel comfortable and I can't get good consistency with my release.
So here's what I looking for, a more stable disc (than my Saint), I'm ok with a little turn but that will still finish left (rhbh), that I can crank some distance out of but doesn't have too wide of a rim.
Here are my ideas so far based off of research:
PD
DD
Culverin
Tesla
Trespass
Any input is greatly appreciated! I'm open to suggestions

 

[codyb91]

I'm adding Full Turn Traveler to the mix as well because it sounds similar to what I'm looking for.

 

[slowplastic]

Trespass is what I was thinking, then I saw it on your list. The Trespass is called a 12 speed but it has a slightly smaller rim (2.1cm from PDGA specs), so it feels like a sleeker Destroyer...while flying similar to mellow or worked in Destroyers. Should be perfect for golf shots at 400' and workable. If you want to pair it with something on the stable/OS side (the Trespass will turn for you) then consider a Defender, Force, Xcal, etc...although these won't go quite as far due to the stability. There are plenty of others too that will handle the OS role for your power level for the wind (Destroyer, Enforcers...though apparently plastic matters in that one for how beefy).

Of the others, the only one I have thrown is the PD, and it will not go as far as the Trespass unless you have a TON of power where the PD will stay stable while the Trespass is flippy at that point. I don't have that kind of power but I can see that is the direction they go.

 

[pjhayes7]

Trespass or Wraith. I have the same problem as you. Start getting into wider rims and I may see distance gain, but the disc seems to come out of my hand too early too often. Maybe a Surge SS. All of these have 2.1 cm rims, so around speed 11. But also remember, as you go faster, you may not want too much more stability. If you keep the same stability, but go with wider rims, it will take more speed to get the flight you want. So something like a Renegade will have similar stability to your Saint. But because it is faster, if you throw the Renegade at full speed its flight pattern left to right and left again will match the Saint at maybe 85% speed.

 

[VictorB]

DDx is a good disc for that range too (which is the same range that I throw) The rim shape can be a turn off though since it's the same as a Tern, some people don't like rims that shallow. I haven't thrown a trespass in a long time but that could definitely be something that works too. Honestly I still throw a PD off the tee for 8/10 drives anyway.

I have found out over the years that the 'speed 11' rim is about as fast as I can go while still getting a clean, non-slipping release. The shallower rim of the DDx lets me cheat that a little bit by being shallower than other speed 12 discs.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Tesla or PD will fly like a sword but feel better in the hand with smaller rim size.

Both are great bc you can pair with unique plastics/wts to get different flight as well.

 

[Reniger]

Love me some S-PDs. Perfect disc for my power range and more consistent than the rain.

 

[Twmccoy]

Give the wide rimmed drivers a chance. You simply have to get used to throwing them. They may slip at first, but with practice you'll get it down.

The Trespass is actually a good idea though if you don't want a super wide rimmed driver. IMO it outflies Destroyers and has better speed.

 

[Stardoggy]

Orc.

 

[hugheshilton]

I'll second the Wraith as a good option. You might try the DDx and Tern as well (they share some mold pieces and thus feel similar). They are super shallow and therefore might be easier for you to hold despite the wide rims.

My honest opinion though is that unless you have tiny hands, you should try to keep throwing 11/12 speed discs (Destroyer for example) and get used to the rim width. I know of very few people with 400+ feet of power that don't throw distance drivers of some sort because the right distance driver is going to give you a more reliable flight and distance at that arm speed. Just my 2 cents.

 

[slowplastic]

Yeah the more you just get used to wider rims, the more they will just feel normal. I didn't like them at first either.

I really don't get the PD recommendations...they are slightly faster than the Saint, but are MUCH more stable in C or S line. They would be a great pairing to the Saint, but I wouldn't think you'd get any more distance with the PD than the Saint unless you were throwing a very understable (for a PD) PD, or had so much power that you have to back off on the Saint but can crush the PD. If you want more distance, you should go up in speed a bit but not way too much in stability.

 

[ThomasOrion]

PD is a smaller rim, slower in general and pretty darn OS. So not sure you want to crank on that to get 400 foot distance. I'd say a Trespass (moonshine for stable / Fuzion for slightly understable) For STABLE at high speeds, I really like the DEFY by axiom, but its not like a super max distance disc, it is about as wide as a trespass (slightly smaller maybe) but can't go wrong with a Pro Destroyer (but its wide rimmed and not the best feel , I'd say trespass for Fast driver thats still controllable but not super OS nor super US)

 

[Aim For The Chains]

many noodles i know crush a seasoned SPD. same with tesla/volt but lighter and seasoned as well.

if you cant throw a 150 class PD or 135g tesla welp....

 

[hugheshilton]

many noodles i know crush a seasoned SPD. same with tesla/volt but lighter and seasoned as well.

if you cant throw a 150 class PD or 135g tesla welp....

I agree with you, but I don't think the OP is actually a noodle arm. If he can throw Saints over 350 and a Sword 400 then that's not really a noodle arm. I'd guess something like a 150 class PD would go far for him, but not be the most reliable option. He would probably get a lot more predictable distance stepping up to Wraiths/Destroyers (or something else in the 11/12 speed class like a Photon, etc.). He definitely has the arm for them; as long as his hands aren't tiny, getting used to a slightly wider rim is probably going to be better in the long run.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

right. so max wts would be fine and they go real far. ive thrown many similar 9/10 speed discs that all go 425' and dont find any magical D from faster stuff unless really US. they skip more and will handle headwinds etc but not like i can throw a destoryer/photon/octane /xyz 11+ speed 500'

 

[World Eater]

Destroyer would probably be the ticket, it's just hard to find the right one, so everyone says Trespass which is at least a bit more consistently in the distance-destroyer ballpark.

Another option would be to start a recycled Giant or Enforcer cycle. They will start off OS with legs and season into a bomber.

I concur with the sentiment that you may want to get comfortable with faster drivers. They are the most likely to meet your desired performance at current and future power levels. No one says you have to use em all the time, but for certain distance drives they are great even for us non-pros. If you do then I would look in to a Catapult. It is in no way a true speed 14 ftr.

 

[codyb91]

Thanks so much for all the great feedback! That helped me out quite a bit! That definitely made the trespass jump up the list for me. Whenever I get some disc money I'll go check out a few of those and see which one feels the best in my hand. I like the idea of getting a 2.1cm so that I can start getting more used to a wider rim. I think I just made too big a jump with rim width going from a saint to a sword. But all the love I've heard for PD's and Teslas is really tempting! I'll just have to check them out for myself and see what I think.
I like the logic or getting a similar rated stability disc to my Saint but in a higher speed. I didn't really think about how the higher speed would require more arm strength to get the sameflight pattern.
I do have a nasty habit of releasing with a little hyzer (which I've gotten from needing to throw hyzer flips I think) and I've noticed the super stable discs will eat up that mistake. I read a review that the trespass is a little forgiving with that mistake which made it sound extra appealing.

 

[slowplastic]

Yep that sounds about right. But if you're curious about the PD also get one of those eventually to match up with your Saint, and teach you to deal with an OS disc (that still flies). But based on what you're saying the Trespass is a great start for the slight hyzer release to controllable golf distance.

 

[disctildeath]

Maybe give one of the newer retooled/x-mold Beasts a throw. Should handle snap better than a Saint but still give enough turn and glide to maximize distance.

 

[Reniger]

right. so max wts would be fine and they go real far. ive thrown many similar 9/10 speed discs that all go 425' and dont find any magical D from faster stuff unless really US. they skip more and will handle headwinds etc but not like i can throw a destoryer/photon/octane /xyz 11+ speed 500'

Bingo. I'm maxing out right around the 400' mark and I can pump my 10 speeds within about 20' of my 12 speeds. Might as well have what's more comfortable in the hand and have a cleaner release.