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Naming of divisions
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Cgkdisc
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Not saying it's ideal but perhaps the best option in many areas under the constraints in the system.
Yup...same with some MA60's, forced to play some of those young MA55's again, lol.
biscoe
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One of the rules for event inclusion in the Old Dominion Disc Series this year was they were not to offer the 5 year divisions. (My idea.)
Other than at worlds i see no real use for them. I was admittedly surprised by the numbers in MA55 at Am Worlds.
Other than at worlds i see no real use for them. I was admittedly surprised by the numbers in MA55 at Am Worlds.
Just to clarify my position, imop the PDGA should have kept the 50-55 age groups in one division but split them into 2 based on a rating cap instead of splitting them based on age. Same thing with the 60-65 players. am40 doesn't have a am45 split, but based on the data for worlds, the same thing could be said for that age group.
Looking at pdga worlds for 2019...
This year's division totals:
am50: 58 players (lowest rated player: 768 highest: 959)
am55: 64 players (lowest rated player: 763 highest: 956)
Proposed divisions based on ages 50-55 being merged into 1 but w/ratings cap:
am50A : 57 players (Up to 899 rating)
am50B : 65 players (900 rated and up)
The resulting division sizes are just about the same, but now...there is more evenly placed competition and old dudes can still play with other old dudes. Granted, this would only be utilized when there is enough players to make it work. I also understand technically the B division would have to allow any rated players in the event just one division is offered by the TD due to not enough players. So the B division would allow some freedom by the TD to restrict to 900 rated and up only or allow any ratings.
You are certain tenacious on this. So, the winner of AM50A is the World Champion of Not So Good Guys Over 50? I understand I am not going to win World's, it is OK with me. I am going to try, but I don't want to rig the system to give me chance.
There are simply not enough senior players to justify a rating split, outside of Worlds and a couple large events.
How about we combine the MA50 and 55 and just encourage those who want to play within their skill set to play AM1, 2 or 3?
The premise of my entire disagreement is:
A. It is not broken
B. The issue you pose is already solved by the current system
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I'm skeptical. Does his form inspire people to ask: "Are you alright?"
Putt for D'oh
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We already have Age restricted and Rating restricted. Choose one.
IF instead you want your cake and eat it too. Then only a single age. Make it AdvMaster again and RecMasters and do away with the 50 and 60 and 70.
Everyone over 40 above 900 and everyone above 40 below 900. There you get to play with old guys AND be rating protected. All of this division splitting seems so silly.
Well, more like, "Can't you throw any harder than that"?
Splitting age-protected divisions by rating was tried before. Nobody liked it.
Well, probably somebody liked it, but it wasn't popular enough to continue for more than a year or two.
This remains a solution in search of a problem. We amateur geezers can play with our age peers. We can play with our skill level. That should be enough choice.
As for the world championships, the thought of any ratings-based championship seems silly to me. I understand being the best of an age group, a gender, or even the best amateur. The best rated under 900? Might as well have a Novice World Championship, while you're at it.
Well, probably somebody liked it, but it wasn't popular enough to continue for more than a year or two.
This remains a solution in search of a problem. We amateur geezers can play with our age peers. We can play with our skill level. That should be enough choice.
As for the world championships, the thought of any ratings-based championship seems silly to me. I understand being the best of an age group, a gender, or even the best amateur. The best rated under 900? Might as well have a Novice World Championship, while you're at it.
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Honestly, I think we'd have more age 50+ guys show up if we had more tournaments that were geared towards them instead of a comprehensive all ages field. Same thing with women and juniors. I know those aren't options that every area can offer every weekend, but wouldn't it be nice if these players could find a half dozen such events within a reasonable drive in the course of a year.
If that took off, maybe then you can open the possibility of having a division for age restricted Am2.
If that took off, maybe then you can open the possibility of having a division for age restricted Am2.
There was a PDGA Major called US Mid-Nationals Championships that was ratings-based. It ran in 2005-06 at Highbridge and in 2007 in St. Louis. The divisions were set by ratings and if you were rated above a certain level you couldn't play. Highbridge was pretty new and a big deal in 2005; I knew a bunch of guys from Chicago that went up to play and it had a decent turnout. The next year the turnout tanked. Since Highbridge was so remote they moved it for year three, but even at that the turnout was poor for a major and the event was cancelled. Dave Mccormack won the last one and called it the "baggers championship". It just wasn't well received at all.
The divisions kinda followed the tee colors: There was no "gold" because there was no top division. The top division was blue, followed by white and red. I forget the ratings breaks, but it may have been blue 999-950/White 949-900/red 899-850.
After red there was green and purple, your rating I think had to be under 850 to qualify for green and under 800 to qualify for purple. Year one there were eight in Green and two in the purple field. Year two there was one in green and two in purple, by the last year there was two in green and one in purple. No one was really interested in competing to be the best disc golfer rated under 850 or whatever that cut off was.
What about separating the field into their preferred substance to consume while playing?
<---torn as to whether to sign up for 'Pizza' or 'Beer' divisions
I'm 53, I guess I will be stuck in the Advil division now.
I feel your pain, trust me, nobody wants to play on a card in MA3. I played it once for my first sanctioned tournament and even I was like "wtf am I doing here?"
I'm interested in learning more about this system. Can you enlighten me (or share some links that explain this well)?
I wish I had read this post a month ago. The only age-protected divsions I'm currently running are 40+ and 50+ (both MP and MA), and I've been catching flak from the 60+ crowd about the difference between 55 and 60.
...now honestly I'm in favor of MINIMAL divisions, especially at A-tiers, I couldn't care less if you don't play to win/compete...go play a league instead...but that's a different discussion.
In context though, 40+ and 55+ would be much better if you can only run 2 age brackets.
...though I still think the 5-year gapping is silly overall, it does have a potential silver lining.
Team Lipitor for the win!!:thmbup:
I shot in NRA sanctioned matches for about ten years. We had scores for each match (similar to PDGA ratings) and you were placed into the appropriate competitive class based on your first rated match (Our classes were B, A, AA, AAA, Master).
After your initial classification, shooting three scores in the class above yours (over any period of time) automatically moved you into that class for subsequent matches. And if you ever shot a score that was two classes above your current class, you were "broken out" into the next class up immediately and retroactively for that tournament. This was a way to guard against someone "sandbagging" to win a match. If you shot that much better than your current rating you were awarded with an immediate and automatic class bump.
There was a process to petition for a lower class if you shot 12 consecutive score below your current rating, but I never saw it used as most folks could shoot their class at least once in a while.
Doesn't fit into DG perfectly, but it is an example of a sport that places people into classes and then automatically moves them based on subsequent scores.
