That's when I grabbed a unicorn fission tesla and committed to that instead.
The answer is; Always Tesla
I'm finally learning to trust my understable mids. My issue was learning what range bands worked for them and learning to throw them with a consistent amount of spin. I think that comes more naturally for the overstable mids, but it feels a little awkward for the understable discs.
The best way to get really good at throwing them is to pick you up some ultimate's. I love the DD Aviators. They are a hair more forgiving than ultra stars. But they teach you to smooth out and throw clean, and how to push a good smooth hyzer as they give you instant bad OAT feedback and give you instant overpowered bad technique feedback.
It's a great training device that is underutilized by players in general.
Can you tell me what, specifically, using the light weight distance drivers will cause me to do wrong? But, as I keep improving, and gaining distance, there is some built in "disc down", because I start having to disc down on the shorter holes.
Basics come down to this. While you get 15 or 20 feet extra with it, that isn't significant improvement, however it is generally the attitude of why people will throw higher speed discs. "I get 20 more feet!" Well of course you do, but that disc is supposed to fly 100 feet further, not 20. You'll have to follow down through my replies as someone else ties into this, as well as one of your other comments.
And remember, I'm not gonna sit here and pound you about stopping it. The goal is to do what makes you happy, were mainly providing feedback that will let you progress faster rather than slower.
I think the message is "just because you CAN throw X disc doesn't mean you SHOULD throw X disc."
This is mainly what a few of us are saying. That extra 20 feet doesn't help you with your form. But I'll touch on that again in a later reply here.
can't throw mid ranges worth a crap. Putters, I can only throw decent with fan grip. The 7-9 speed stuff, I am always paying attention, seeing if I find one I can throw super accurate and consistent.... I am already reaching a point where discing down is needed on some holes - what an exciting new challenge!
Putter and Mid technique are really what will get you to a better level on your swing overall. I'm not gonna say only throw them, but getting them to release clean and on target will get you more power in your driver throw as your form has to be tighter to get them to come out correctly. But also good that you're paying attention and trying new things. Most players wont bother with even doing that. They just keep forcing the same bad form and same bad throw, and calling it good. And you can be a decent scoring golfer this way, but you can never go beyond that position.
One of the best moments I started to experience while I was discing down was when you're just trying to throw a nice smooth shot to the basket and you blow past it accidentally by 40 ot 50ft because it was just so smooth and you don't know how you managed to get it that far with so little power. The Accidental Connection.
And here were at the point of the above comments coming into play. And this is why I advocate against higher speed discs especially when working on your form. In our heads were thinking "faster disc, more distance, throw harder."
What this does is just eviscerates your mechanics as our timing and everything goes out the window as we try and throw harder and faster, but in reality what were doing is hurting our form, throwing slower and with less power.
When we slow down and throw those lower speed discs softer, our timing starts to hit. If you're throwing a 6 speed 350, and you switch to a 12 speed and you're only getting 370. The idea there is "you need to stop throwing 12 speeds." That 20 feet isn't worth it for starters, you're more likely to make a mistake with the 12 speed, and were working waaaay harder to try and throw that 12 speed, cause we trying to umpf it.
So, slower discs, and slower speeds = more power/distance. And its not really by accident, its just that our body can finally waltz and sing, vs us lumbering around like bigfoot trying to hulk smash it. Timing is everything, and thats why you see guys out there who look like they barely throw, but it goes far. It's timing creating a powerful kinetic chain.
I actually had that once a week ago or so. 225' hole, downhill, where I normally throw my 150g Valkyrie, kind of easy, but I was tired and I decided to use my 150g Tern and just throw it real easy. It sailed WAY past the basket. Felt very smooth. I tried for the same thing several times since, but haven't repeated it yet. Maybe it was the reduced effort - maybe it was just that I relaxed my arm more?
See above =)
But yes, it was you relaxing coupled with the down hill and a disc that you didn't over power, but threw fast enough to perform as needed with lower effort. That and the Tern for you probably isn't as flippy as a valk, so that might have helped.
Downhill stuff is weird anyways. whole different conversation.
It's all about having fun to be fair, but there's been plenty of great reasoning why throwing slower discs might gonna speed up your progress. We're all different and learn different ways though.
- For me, discing down has only been positive. My putter and mids gives me instant feedback if my form is bad, it flutters, the angle integrity and release feels awful and it rarely goes anywhere. On the other hand, if I hit it right, I'll know it instantaneously. It really helps getting the body mechanics down compares to drivers
- I (focus on the "I") can throw a distance driver like an absolutely spastic and it'll mask MOST of my ugly form (unless it's too nose up), and it'll still go "far". The feedback on drivers is way less, than slower discs in my opinion.
- Slower discs forces ME to focus on being smooth, instead of just yeeting that disc out there. Who knows, maybe lightweight drivers would do they same?
- throwing absolute straight shots that land and just slide instead of skipping right and left. To a certain extend, I can do that with fairway drivers, but there's s lot higher chance that something goes wrong.
All those things.
Especially the other reason to throw slower stuff, it will really help you improve your bad form quicker and give you better results faster as well. High speed drivers cover up bad form mistakes.
This is why a lot of newer forehand dominant players throw high speed overstable drivesr.
They think they are overpowering the disc and need that stability and speed, but the reality of it is that their form is terrible and the disc is compensating for them.
Which when it comes to back hand, it covers up some mistakes for starters. They are more susceptible to nose angles, Slower discs are FAR more forgiving on nose angles. and as above, we are usually trying to force a flight line out of them by throwing harder, throwing on annie or some other things.
Some of this stuff would be far more fun if we could all get together with some of the discs I have here that I use as training aids for myself, and watch some people throw them as you'll get instant feedback from the disc based on skill level and form.
While I don't throw incredibly far myself, Mostly because of nose angle issues and injuries, I do command a lot of control over some really crazy discs that are almost unthrowable for most people due to how understable they are. Such as the paradox. People trip balls when they see me throw a disc they cannot throw without turning it into a roller, but I'm throwing it 300 feet controlled.
